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United States of America should be split into two different Americas

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/23/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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imabench

Pro

This is part of the Cheesedingo1 Troll debate tournament, this is my challenge to Sans

Resolution: The Unites States of America should be split into two different America's, one for liberals which will be called the LSA (Liberal States of America), the other will go to conservatives and will be called the CSA (Conservative States of America)

Parameters
1) Both Americas have cannot declare war on each other
2) Traditional swing states can willingly change between the LSA and the CSA
3) Both Americas have the exact same forms of government as the USA

First Round is Acceptance Only
Sans_the_Ander

Con

Wow I'm finally facing the trolling master.... *stares in awe*

All right Imabench let's do this thang.

I will argue that the United States of America should NOT be split up into two different Americas. We shall remain the USA and only the USA!

USA! USA! USA!

I await my opponent's case.
Debate Round No. 1
imabench

Pro

Reasons why the USA should be divided into A Liberal States of America and a Conservative States of America

1) Liberals and Conservatives cant stand each other

Its a well known fact that Conservatives dont take kindly to Liberals, or as conservatives call them "Socialist, unreligious libtards who want to turn America into a government run nanny state". Its also known that Liberals dont take kindly to conservatives, or as Liberals call them "Those people who dont like facts or science". If the USA were split up though each side would have their own half of America to control and model it off of their own beliefs and views. Liberals can build the America they want, Conservatives get to build the America they want. Everyone wins! (Except for gays living in the Conservative States, they wont get a break for 200 years....)

2) Congress can finally get sh*t done

Both the CSA and LSA would have the same kind of government (Executive Branch, Constitution, Bill of Rights, all that) and thus each would have their own Congress. But now that Congress is filled with either all democrats or all liberals, each America will finally be able to get sh*t done which means that CONGRESS CAN FINALLY BE PRODUCTIVE!!!!!



3) Each side can finally build the America they want to see

Its as simple as that. Conservatives can build a conservative USA and Liberals can build a liberal USA.

4) Both sides can appreciate qualities seen in the other side.

Conservatives and Liberals are a lot like annoying a** twin brothers who always fight over stupid sh*t at any given time. But if there were two America's, one for each side, then suddenly conservatives and Liberals would become friendly neighbors since we are both still Americans and each can finally have their own power. This could then show the finer sides of each ideology to the other ideology, Liberals could see the finer sides in Conservatism and Conservatives could see good qualities in Liberalism. Over time then both ideologies could learn to respect and trust each other more then we do today.

5) The Republican Nominee and the Democratic Nominee BOTH get to be president

Conservatives and Liberals from both countries select a candidate to represent the Republican and Democratic parties. The two then go head to head like in a real election, (see point 6 for reason why), but in the end it works out because both still get to be president. This will cut down on the ridiculous spending on elections, it will reduce negative campaign ads, and it will eliminate the age old tradition of the presidential throwing of sh*t at the other candidate over minor issues.



Mitt Romney preparing for a debate against Rick Santorum.



6) Swing states can peacefully transition from the CSA to the LSA and back again at will.

Heres how it works, during election years all states become neutral, they all go through the process of picking a republican and democratic nominee. When one of each is chosen they go head to head to argue about why they are better. Then the states vote for who they want, the states that vote Republican go to the CSA, the states that vote Democratic go to the LSA. This will allow for states to peacefully transfer between countries. Whats ths significance of this? I dont entirely know I sniffed paint this morning and it sounded like a cool idea.

7) We can FINALLY find out which side is right

Now im sober :D My biggest argument of all for why the USA should be divided into two countries is so that WE - CAN - FINALLY - FIND - OUT - WHICH - SIDE - IS - RIGHT

How awesome would it be to figure out which side was right all along? Its an age old question that would finally be answered! Which ever side is right can get bragging rights and the side that was wrong can finally learn they were wrong and shut the f*ck up!

Current odds put Conservatives at 2%,
Liberals at 3%,
and the side that is closer to libertarianism at 95%

GAME ON!!!!
Sans_the_Ander

Con

1) Liberals and Conservatives can't stand each other

"Its a well known fact that Conservatives dont take kindly to Liberals, or as conservatives call them "Socialist, unreligious libtards who want to turn America into a government run nanny state". Its also known that Liberals dont take kindly to conservatives, or as Liberals call them "Those people who dont like facts or science"."

Haha he said libtard.

"If the USA were split up though each side would have their own half of America to control and model it off of their own beliefs and views. Liberals can build the America they want, Conservatives get to build the America they want."

If each side were to own their own America would that really be a good thing? The most extreme Conservatives living next door to the most extreme Liberals.... that would cause chaos. I know Pro set some guidelines and said that the LSA and CSA would not be able to declare war on each other, but I assure you there would be conflict. Gun-crazy Conservatives would be enraged at the tree-hugging Liberals and they would be sure to form angry mobs and cause much bloodshed. I'll touch on this more later.

2) Congress can finally get sh*t done

"Both the CSA and LSA would have the same kind of government (Executive Branch, Constitution, Bill of Rights, all that) and thus each would have their own Congress. But now that Congress is filled with either all democrats or all liberals, each America will finally be able to get sh*t done which means that CONGRESS CAN FINALLY BE PRODUCTIVE!!!!!"

All right so the both LSA and CSA would have their own Congress, which means that everybody will agree on everything and it will be great.......... Right?? Without Liberals and Conservatives opposing each other on everything, each group would just get to push their own agenda. So what would happen to those poor Liberals that get caught in a Conservative state, and vice versa? They would be forced to abide under a crazy government run by the opposite party. This would force them to move to a state where they would be accepted. But what if they do not have the means to move? This would cause these poor individuals to be stranded and suffer greatly under a government in which they would not agree with a single thing.

3) Each side can finally build the America they want to see

"Its as simple as that. Conservatives can build a conservative USA and Liberals can build a liberal USA"

I have another problem with completely splitting up Conservatives and Liberals. Where would the undecided blokes go? You see, between the blood-stained battlefield of the grim Conservatives and the light, soft, green prairie of the kitten-like Liberals, there lies the Undecided Land. This is where the poor guys in the middle have to choose between either extreme Conservative or extreme Liberal views, while their true beliefs are in the middle of either side. This is not fair to them.

5) The Republican Nominee and the Democratic Nominee BOTH get to be president

Ok I understand this but do you mean that the Republican and Democrat will rule together?? Because then this will cause sh*t to once again not get done due to the disagreements that will arise.

6) Swing states can peacefully transition from the CSA to the LSA and back again at will.

So swing states are going to be transitioning between two seperate Americas over and over?? This will cause confusion for the citizens of the swing states, because one term they'll be in the CSA, the next they'll be in the LSA, their government will radically change every time they change between Americas, and the poor citizens won't know what the hell is going on.

7) We can FINALLY find out which side is right

My opponent thinks this whole process will give us the answer to the age-old question - which side is right???

This is what will really happen.

The Conservatives will win. Why?? Not because their views are better, but because they hold something in high importance - the right to bear arms. And guess what?? Conservatives HATE Liberals. So after a while, after the hatred for the Liberal's burns in the Conservative's hearts for enough time, the Conservatives will eventually explode. There will be an all-out brawl - Conservatives vs. Liberals. And since a LOT more Conservatives have guns than Liberals, the Conservatives will find an easy victory in their hands, and the Liberals will be no more.

Sounds brutal right?

So if you're a Liberal, you should definitely vote Con. You're existence depends on it!!!!



Debate Round No. 2
imabench

Pro

1) Liberals + Conservatives

" The most extreme Conservatives living next door to the most extreme Liberals.... that would cause chaos"

It ALREADY causes chaos! Watch Fox News and MSNBC at any particular day and all you see is a sh*t throwing contest between both sides (See picture above) If each side has their own country though then tensions will die down because now each side can finally try to build their own version of America rather than focus on sh*tting on the other side for messing up and vice versa. If anything this will keep the peace as both sides set out to build their own Utopia.

" I assure you there would be conflict."

Im sure the conservatives will be able to build a massive border fence between the LSA and the CSA to prevent from any exchange of gunfire.....

"Gun-crazy Conservatives would be enraged at the tree-hugging Liberals and they would be sure to form angry mobs and cause much bloodshed"

Why? each side now has their own country to rule in peace what would the conservatives have to gain by attacking a country that has done nothing wrong to them? Your making conservatives sound like Jihadist terrorists....

2) Congress

" So what would happen to those poor Liberals that get caught in a Conservative state, and vice versa?"

They can still campaign and hold office. There are conservatives who represent currently liberal states and the opposite is just as true. The only thing that changes is that the CSA will have mroe republicans and the LSA will have more democrats which makes it much easier to get sh*t done while representing most of the people's views.

"They would be forced to abide under a crazy government run by the opposite party. "

Or they could move to any state that is a part of the other country....

"But what if they do not have the means to move?"

How the f*ck does that happen? Neither conservatives nor liberals advocate making emigration illegal, in fact if my common sense reader is working liberals wouldnt protest a conservative leaving their country or vice versa.

3) Build your own America

"Where would the undecided blokes go? "

They can stay in the state they already live in or they could move to any state they find more appealing.

"between the..... Conservatives and the.... Liberals, there lies the Undecided Land. This is where the poor guys in the middle have to choose between either extreme Conservative or extreme Liberal views, while their true beliefs are in the middle of either side"

Not all liberals are die hard liberals and not all conservatives are die hard conservatives though. Most Americans lean towards one side or are moderately one side, the number of truly radical conservatives and republicans out there are a very small part of Americans. Even looking at states most of them are almost neutral whereas only a few lean largely one side. Whats interesting to note to is that states that lean one way on one issue may not lean as much on another issue.

There will be plenty of room and plenty of choices for undecided people to live in.

5) Both a Dem and a Rep get to be president

"do you mean that the Republican and Democrat will rule together?? Because then this will cause sh*t to once again not get done due to the disagreements that will arise."

Not at all, The Republican becomes president of the CSA, the Liberal becomes the president of the LSA, they only run against one another to see which states will join the LSA and the CSA every four years :)

6) Swing States

"This will cause confusion for the citizens of the swing states, because one term they'll be in the CSA, the next they'll be in the LSA"

The elections happen every four years I think they will be able to keep up.

"their government will radically change every time they change between Americas"

That applies only to the 7 or 8 swing states out there, the other 42 would be in pretty stable in the long term

" the poor citizens won't know what the hell is going on."

Again, the change (if anything DOES change) is only once every four years

7) Find out which side is right

"The Conservatives will win. Why?? Not because their views are better, but because they hold something in high importance - the right to bear arms"

PARAMETER 1: "1) Both Americas cannot declare war on each other"

Also there wouldnt be fighting because both nations get half of the most hi tech military in the world, so it wouldnt be a quick conquest like you try to make it seem. Also liberal states tend to have enormous populations whereas Republican states are rather small (Minus Texas) so I dont think that Iowa and Kansas will be viciously conquering California and New York....

"Conservatives HATE Liberals"

Im Liberal but people love me on here!!! The hate between liberals and conservatives isnt enough to start a Civil War but it still is enough to warrent this awesome experiment dont you agree?

"Conservatives vs. Liberals. And since a LOT more Conservatives have guns than Liberals"

Have you even been to New York or California? There are gangs like the Cripps, Bloods, Triad, and Wu Tang who are armed to their f*cking teeth in guns and I doubt they will take sh*t from a bunch of corn growing Iowans who hate liberals with a passion, which they DONT

"the Conservatives will find an easy victory in their hands, and the Liberals will be no more."

Conservatives hate liberals, but not enough to kill them, SO STOP MAKING CONSERVATIVES SOUND LIKE TERRORISTS



Sans_the_Ander

Con

Sans_the_Ander forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
imabench

Pro

Vote Pro!
Sans_the_Ander

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by imabench 5 years ago
imabench
most states are pretty neutral, pick whichever one you like :)
Posted by 1dustpelt 5 years ago
1dustpelt
What about the moderates like me? :(
Posted by Untitled123 5 years ago
Untitled123
holy shizzles that was fast
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