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Universal Healthcare, if implemented, will have negative effects on the American people.

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Started: 4/1/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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GreatDebater1992

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The idea of "Universal Healthcare," if implemented, will have negative effects on the American people.

If you accept this debate please argue intelligently, logically, and sense-fully.

Thank You.

In Christ,
Pro
feverish

Con

Thanks to my opponent for instigating this debate.
I will do my best to argue with intelligence, logic and a full amount of sense.

The last thing I want is for this debate to be based around semantics, rather than the real issues but I am slightly confused by Pro's resolution and since he does not expand on it at all in his opening argument, I am not quite sure how to interpret it.

Does he mean that(assuming it is implemented):

1) UHC will have negative effects on every single US citizen.

2) UHC will have negative effects on the majority of US citizens.

3) UHC will have negative effects on the 'average' US citizen.

4) UHC will have negative effects on US society and the people as a whole.

5) UHC will have positive and negative effects but the bad will outweigh the good.

Or perhaps some other interpretation that hasn't occurred to me.

If my opponent wishes to argue any of 1-5, then I am confident that I can prove him wrong but perhaps he has some other position that he will explain in round two.

In the meantime a little research I conducted into Universal Health Care:( in the UK I am proud to say we have had our National Health Service for over sixty years. )

http://www.herald-mail.com...
http://www.medcitynews.com...
http://www.socialist.net...
http://www.boston.com...

And some great arguments in favour of it:

"# Every family deserves health care they can count on for a lifetime.

# People shouldn't risk losing their life savings when they develop an illness.

# Physicians and patients, not insurance companies, should make patient care decisions.

# We need to put our leaders to work for taxpayers again."

source: http://www.amsa.org...

Thanks.

In sympathy,
Con.
Debate Round No. 1
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Con

As my opponent has forfeited the round, I can only re-affirm my previous arguments and hope that my opponent will clarify his position at some point in the future.
Vote Con.
Thankyou.
Debate Round No. 2
GreatDebater1992

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feverish

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Extend my arguments.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Tatarize 7 years ago
Tatarize
I wish I could preorder my vote. It would save me time of waiting 2 days, then a bit more to vote for the winner.

"In Christ," should have been a warning sign that this guy was a total know nothing tool.
Posted by Tatarize 7 years ago
Tatarize
Outside the rain falleth on the just and the unjust, the Gospels don't compel one to accept equality as a virtue. Helping the poor is certainly in there as one of he few unequivocal things.

However, not so much one's brother as the gospels says that Jesus comes to pit brother against brother, family member against family member, etc. Jesus admonishes people to pay their taxes to the state even if they disagree because the coins have a picture of Caesar on them (this is the dumbest logic ever).

Jesus is more often portrayed attacking people with a weapons and cursing things than extolling the virtues of equality.
Posted by wpfairbanks 7 years ago
wpfairbanks
Oh, and GD1992, I hope you do indeed know that the Independent American Party is not a political party based on being independent, but rather an anti-secular racist group based in George Wallace's segregation. Either way, I am not suprised you are anti UHC.
Posted by wpfairbanks 7 years ago
wpfairbanks
Have to people not read the gospels??? Obviously, the message of Christ is against equality and helping thy brother. Jesus would refuse to pay the taxes for universal healthcare! He is an American. And a laissez-faire American at that! Okay, only kidding.

But really, "In Christ"? Give me a break. And Tatarize has a brilliant point. OF COURSE there will be some negative effects. But I resolve that the positive effects would outweigh them. How can anyone possible argue your resolution. It's absurd
Posted by Tatarize 7 years ago
Tatarize
It clearly says in the Bible: "... it is easier for a fat man to get into heaven..."
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 7 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Eggleston, they aren't real Christians.

Real Christians are every bit as communist as you:

http://www.vatican.va...
Posted by brian_eggleston 7 years ago
brian_eggleston
I note that Pro is a Christian. Where in the Bible does it say that the poor should not have the same life chances, i.e. education and healthcare, as the rich?

Why do Christians always want to pamper the privileged and punish the poor? Christianity doesn't seem like a very caring religion to me.
Posted by SniperJake94 7 years ago
SniperJake94
If it was modeled after the french system then I would negate. The french have it easier than the U.S and it's more efficient and more people survive. The french are also one of the top 10 best healthcare-described by a staticitic by World health organization.
Posted by Tatarize 7 years ago
Tatarize
Negative effects are different from net negative effects. I think properly established universal healthcare would be a rather large plus for the country. However, will there be negative effects? Some, I'm sure.

So even though I completely support UHC, as a statement of fact the topic is true. Even if we could wish ourselves the French Healthcare System it would still be factually accurate that it would have negative effects.
Posted by Justinisthecrazy 7 years ago
Justinisthecrazy
I think it will as well so I can't exactly say that it won't. I'd be cheating my morals.
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