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Unless God can find the square root of a negative number, he is just as imaginary as the answer.

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Started: 11/1/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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First round acceptance.


Imperfect has to understand that mathematical operations are
invented by humans. While math is an extremely useful tool for us to understand
the universe, it is far from perfect. When you divide 10 by 3, the answer is
3.3333333... and it goes on infinitely. What does this show? It shows that the
answer lies somewhere between 3 and 4, but our numerical system can’t trap the answer
with precision. And hence the solution to that problem keeps slipping
endlessly. This is the fault of the human numerical system. To blame the
imperfections of a man-made system on God is not fair.

Another angle to look at it is this. There are a lot of
things that the human mind can’t grasp. This shows the limitations of the human
mind. But to say that because I can’t understand something, God doesn’t exist
is absurd.

For example, we may never get the answer to the question, “which
came first, the chicken or the egg?” That doesn’t mean God did not create them.
These are part of divine wisdom, and if God chooses not to disclose it to us,
then who are we to challenge him.

Debate Round No. 1


Mathematical operations are invented by humans... Who is it that invented humans?... Oh yeah! Oh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea!

God is omniscient, so he knows everything. This means that he is superior to humans in every way intellectually. Thus anything god is incapable to grasp proves that there are limitations on his knowledge and his omniscience is disproved. If his omniscience is disproved but he is defined as being omniscient then he immediately is rendered an impossibility that is 'god of the gaps' because he helps answer a question of origin without really being the right answer. In the same way, a square root of a negative number is labeled as i. i is 'imaginary' and is a concept number based outside of the number line to enable the number-line to coherently function despite being flawed. Similarly, God, being the impossibility that he is as he is both omniscient yet can't tell the square root of -1, for instance, is equally impossible and exists outside the true reality so as to answer the questions that enable reality to be understood despite its flaws.

god is literally doing to reality in the process of philosophy what i does to the number line.

Thus, God is just as imaginary as i unless he can truly find the actual answer to what the square root of -1 is.

This is not chicken or the egg, this is mathematics.


Imperfection of Math

As I had mentioned in my earlier post, your
argument only shows the imperfectness of mathematics. How else do you get
infinitely long answers for some sums, such as 10 divided by 3. These only show
that math is imperfect, though it is the best tool we have to interpret natural
laws. It’s our limitation.
Can you describe the color red to a blind man? It’s
impossible. That’s because of the limitation of the human language. Would you
blame that also on God? In fact, math is also a language, but much more precise
than our verbal language. However, examples like the one you raised only shows
that it is not precise enough.

Illogicality of your question

Finally, your comparison between ‘imaginary numbers’ and ‘god
of gaps’ is inexact. Let me explain. Take for example the square root of 64. It
is 8.

8 became a square root because of the existence of 64.

64 is the cause, 8 is the effect.

If you translate it into god terms: 64 is god, 8 is the

Now apply this logic to your question: -1 becomes god, and
the imaginary number is the universe.

Therefore, what we know for certain is God, and what is
imaginary is the universe.

In other words, you have found God. Your search is for the

Hope that explains the inappropriateness of your example to
disprove God.
Debate Round No. 2


Good song. Bye.
Debate Round No. 3


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Valiya forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4


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Valiya forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by UndeniableReality 1 year ago
We clearly need much better math education in schools...
Posted by Atmas 1 year ago
Mathematics was not created by humans, the symbols were, but not the concept. Placing a second apple in a basket is 1+1. Reptends are not a flaw, that's the answer, the most precise answer, we just won't/can't write them down so we created rounding.
Negative numbers don't actually exist in nature, so you could say we invented them, but to say that we created math just isn't true. Humans aren't that awesome.

As for god being able to do impossible mathematics... that's impossible, hence the word, impossible. It's not a matter of comprehension, it just won't give you an answer. Like dividing by zero, it's nonsensical.
Posted by UndeniableReality 1 year ago
I just want to point out to Con that irrational numbers are irrational in all number systems. Not just ours.
Posted by Imperfiect 1 year ago
Interesting I will get back to this later, Con.
Posted by whitesworstnightmare 1 year ago
Hahahahah if you say god doesn't exist you a dum pig! Just because you are intelligent doesn't mean you're more intelligent than the universe! You are just a 0,0000 infinite fraction of the universe. You where made by the universe,given brains by the infinite universe,and god is bigger than that infinite universe, Humans didnt invent maths.Maths was with god before he even thought about you!

Even Gods foolishness is wiser than mans wiseness!
Posted by ChandanB 1 year ago
Well the whole debate stands on the notion of what God means to you. As a divine creature who made the universe or a super genius who created the world with the language of maths. As an atheist I would place my bet on the nonexistence of God both as divine and scientist for now until further knowledge is achieved by man.
Posted by cheyennebodie 1 year ago
You say God is imaginary.You have come to that conclusion from very limited knowledge. I doubt if the collective knowledge of the universe is any more than 10%. That leaves 90% of knowledge God could dwell in.

Spiritual knowledge comes through God's word. No where else.It is available to all that will dare to believe.
Posted by cheyennebodie 1 year ago
What makes you think that God operates outside of science or math?He is just as bound by truth as we are.Now spiritual law is just a higher way of doing things. It still has principles and laws that govern it. The law of geneses. The law of faith or the spoken word.The thing is he now has to deal with the law of sin and death. But he cannot step outside of spiritual law to deal with it. He does not have to.Jesus walked perfectly in the law of the spirit of life and overcame all the law of sin and death thrown at him.He waled free from sin, sickness, demons and fear. Not to ptove he could. But to prove man can.Any man who walks in the covenant promises will overcome the law of death. Everytime. I did not say walk in religion. But covenant promises, which are recorded throughout his word, the bible.
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Reasons for voting decision: Since pro couldn't provide us with the answer to the question, I'm not sure he exists.