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bsh1
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kasmic
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VIDEO DEBATE: Mercy and Justice

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bsh1
Voting Style: Open with Elo Restrictions Point System: Select Winner
Started: 10/1/2015 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 890 times Debate No: 80403
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (11)
Votes (1)

 

bsh1

Pro

Preface

Kasmic and Lee's recent persuasive video debate caught my attention. Too often, we as debaters can place emphasis on regurgitation, highly technical argumentation, and volume of assertions. This model forces debaters to be communicative and sensible above all else, and to present a cogent line of reasoning that the average person can follow. I think this kind of oratorical style is interesting and deserving of recognition, so I am happy to have the chance to participate in it with Kasmic. To vote, you must have an ELO ranking of 3,000 or greater.

Full Topic

Mercy bears richer fruit than strict Justice.

Topic Overview

The full topic is a quote from Abraham Lincoln. I think it's abstract nature makes it well suited to a debate of this nature. But, because it is abstract, it requires some explanation. Simply put, this topic is asking the question of whether justice should be restorative, rehabilitative, etc., or whether it should be punitive, retributive, etc. Debaters should therefore focus on the difference between "soft" justice and "strict" justice, and which ends up producing the "richest fruit" or the most justice.

Terms

Mercy - kindness, clemency, or forgiveness of someone who could be treated harshly
Bear richer fruit - to produce more benefits or better outcomes
Strict Justice - an approach to justice that emphasizes the need and appropriateness of punishment in response to wrongdoing

Rules

1. No forfeits
2. Full citations should be provided in the text of the debate, but running citations (e.g names of authors) should be given in the videos
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic
7. My opponent accepts all definitions and waives his/her right to add resolutional definitions
8. For all undefined terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution and this debate
9. The BOP is Shared: Pro argues for Mercy, Con for Strict Justice
10. Debaters may be allowed a 15 second grace period per video
11. Only audio is required; since only audio is required, judges are prohibited from considering visual cues, presentation, and the like in their decisions.
12. Nothing but sources and pleasentries should be posted in the text of the debate
13. Violation of any of these rules or of any of the R1 set-up merits a loss

Structure

R1. Acceptance Only - No Video
R2. Pro's Case, Con's Case - 5 minutes Videos
R3. Pro rebuts Con's Case, Con rebuts Pro's Case - 4 minute Videos
R4. Pro defends Pro's Case, Con defends Con's Case - 3 minute Videos
R5. Pro rebuts Con's Case, Con rebuts Pro's Case, both Crystallize - 2 minute videos

Thanks...

...to Kasmic; I am looking forward to an excellent debate in an intriguing format!
kasmic

Con

I accept!
Debate Round No. 1
bsh1

Pro

Thanks, Kasmic, for the opportunity to do this debate! Thanks again to anyone who listens to our arguments and/or votes!

Video Link

https://www.youtube.com...

Sources

Canadian Government: http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca...
Huff Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
James Bonta: http://law.jrank.org...
Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.org...
kasmic

Con

kasmic forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
bsh1

Pro

Please do not yet give Kasmic a loss for this forfeit. We can simply adjust the debate to compensate:

R3. Kasmic posts his 5 minute case and his 4 minute rebuttal
R4. I post my 4 minutes rebuttal and my 3 minute defense; Kasmic posts his 3 minute defense
R5. We each do our 2 minute rebuttals and crystallizations
kasmic

Con

kasmic forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
bsh1

Pro

As it is no longer feasible to restructure the debate, I ask voters to enforce rules 1 and 13.
kasmic

Con

kasmic forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
bsh1

Pro

Vote Pro.
kasmic

Con

kasmic forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
11 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by kasmic 1 year ago
kasmic
I'm sorry for forfeiting, let me know if I can make it up to you.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
Just 7.5 hours left...
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
About 1 day left to post, Kasmic. I hope you see this in time.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
Yeah, I think so, too.
Posted by Lee001 1 year ago
Lee001
This is very unusaul of Kasmic..he must have something going on inrl.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
About 1.5 hours to post.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
About 6.5 hours left to post.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
You've got less than a day to post.
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
Kasmic, not that I want to rush you, but could you post as soon as possible?
Posted by bsh1 1 year ago
bsh1
Kasmic, not that I want to rush you, but could you post as soon as possible?
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by tejretics 1 year ago
tejretics
bsh1kasmic
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit.