VIDEO DEBATE: WriterDave should leave debate.org
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after 16 votes the winner is...
TUF
| Started: | 5/12/2012 | Category: | Miscellaneous |
| Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 4,244 times | Debate No: | 23560 |
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (86)
Votes (16)
 Pro  Con ****FRAMEWORK***** Please view link, as my opponent has restricted the character limit. http://www.debate.org... With that said.... Gotta put this meme in every debate challenge I accept now...  |
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Pro Con Wow... Didn't expect a forfeit. *****CONCLUSION***** Anyways, whether it is banned or him leaving, my points still apply to both. My opponent, whether out of laziness, or knowing that my points were more correct than his, has simply failed to respond. It is strongly abusive of my opponent to say I have not responded to his points, as I thoroughly touched on each one. He strictly said the use of "semantics" should be voted against. Well, saying that my points are not valid over the difference of one word, when they still obviously apply, is a strong use of semantics. My opponent has forfeited, and violated his own rule. Thus you can extend each argument that I have made. I thank the viewers for watching. VOTE CON! |
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16 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Vote Placed by Hardcore.Pwnography 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - |  | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | | - | - | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | | - | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | | - | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 1 | 6 |
Reasons for voting decision: Counter VK. Having a video go over 10 minutes doesn't mean that the argument is worse. Giving Koop conduct though.
Vote Placed by Viper-King 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | | - | - | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | | - | - | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | | - | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | | - | - | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 7 | 0 |
Reasons for voting decision: Pro stated all 7 points go to whoever's ARGUMENTS are the best. As a rule. I usually would vote TUF for conduct point but TUF violated the rule of having videos under 10 minutes which results in a tie. Koopin's argument was that WD's mental health was hurting him if he continued at DDO whille TUF's argument was he had the RIGHT to stay at DDO. Resolution arguments. It wasn't about a ban but instead about if he should or should not. If TUF did another video, my 7 points would go to him. NOT A VB!
Vote Placed by royalpaladin 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | | - | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | | - | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | | - | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 4 |
Reasons for voting decision: See comments
Vote Placed by darkkermit 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | | - | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | | - | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 3 | 1 |
Reasons for voting decision: From the resolution, it is quite clear that "WriterDave should leave debate.org" PRO meant that WriterDave should leave voluntarily. CON asserted that WriterDave has the right to remain on DDO and should not be banned. However just because one has the right, does not mean one should. TUF even conceded that DDO is likely harmful to WriterDave's health and is not the right place for him, which gives PRO the win. PRO loses conduct points for not doing a video in the last round.
Vote Placed by RoyLatham 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | - | | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 0 |
Reasons for voting decision: Debate was a mess. See comments.
Vote Placed by WriterDave 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | | - | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | | - | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 3 |
Reasons for voting decision: Con made his arguments against the resolution based on a misunderstanding thereof, but extended his arguments to apply to the resolution as Koopin construed it. All of these arguments applied, and Koopin did not address them. Con therefore wins on the arguments. I also feel that Pro should lose conduct for instigating the debate in the first place, but I know that'll just be countered by someone who'll say I'm being subjective.
Vote Placed by Wallstreetatheist 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 3 |
Reasons for voting decision: Pro should have mentioned the discrepancy in a video. In his flippant dismissal of Con's arguments, he concedes most of Con's points. A debater can't name one flaw in an opponent's multivariate case and expect to win as a result.
TUF should get conduct, but at the same time, Koopin made some great points, so I'll spare a point.
Vote Placed by GeoLaureate8 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | - | | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 0 |
Reasons for voting decision: Tie.
Vote Placed by Maikuru 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | - | | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 0 | 3 |
Reasons for voting decision: [Disclaimer: This is not a votebomb/counter. I read the entire debate.] Koopin's point on WD's popularity was subjective and violates no site rules. WD's misunderstanding of member interactions and slang may be irritating, but he clearly has some compelling reason to stay. The site being a danger to WD was Pro's most compelling argument. However, as Con pointed out, this talk has lessened of late and WD has noted that the site has actually taken steps to improve his mentality. Args to Con.
Vote Placed by SuburbiaSurvivor 1 year ago
| Koopin | TUF | Tied | ||
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| Agreed with before the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Agreed with after the debate: | - | - | | 0 points |
| Who had better conduct: | | - | - | 1 point |
| Had better spelling and grammar: | - | - | | 1 point |
| Made more convincing arguments: | | - | - | 3 points |
| Used the most reliable sources: | - | - | | 2 points |
| Total points awarded: | 4 | 0 |
Reasons for voting decision: Con misunderstood the debate (conduct). Pro gave better arguments. WriterDave should leave for his own mental health. Also, he's threatening to sue the site. Obviously he doesn't like it. He should leave.
How does a vote on conduct transition into that of arguments, VK?
This.