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Vegetarianism is harmful to the human body, and is wrong

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Started: 5/9/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Zeldafan69

Pro

First, I must say that if you are a participant in vegetarianism, that's your choice and I support your act of free will. I will in no way make an attempt to disengage you from your practices. Anyways, on to the debate.

To start off, any dietitian will tell you that meat is an essential part of anyone's diet. People are omnivores we eat BOTH meat, and vegetation. Our bodies weren't made to live without meat. It contains a substantial amount of protein which we need to grow (especially us teenagers). Dating back all the way to the first hominid species, we ate meat. And as much of it as we could. Now, I AM against the way some slaughterhouses do away with the lives of animals. But keep in mind...not ALL the meat manufacturers prepare meat this way. I'm not sure which ones do and don't, but it could easily be found out. I imagine it's more the underground companies that can't afford humane methods of slaughtering. Slaughtering isn't humane you say? Well, I agree it isn't when the rip the throat out of a cow, and slam a chicken up against a wall. But if it's just a quick twist of the neck, or an injection, they don't feel a thing. And America is a heavy meat eating country. We love meat, simply stated. There's no way we could just rely on natural occurring deaths of animals to eat, they must be killed according to the demand.

That's all I have for my opening statement, I look forward to seeing whomever chooses to take up my debate.
Bitz

Con

I'm not a vegetarian, I don't think animals should have rights, and I love meat. That being said, you are still wrong.

"Vegetarianism is harmful to the human body, and is wrong." As the Pro of the resolution, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that vegetarianism is harmful to the human body. Let's go down the line by line:

"To start off, any dietitian will tell you that meat is an essential part of anyone's diet."
The problem with this statement is that it's just…wrong. The American Dietic Association as well as the Dietitians of Canada issued a statement that "appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." (1)

For those of you who don't know, the American Dietetic Association (ADA) is the United States' largest organization of food and nutrition professionals, with nearly 67,000 members. Approximately 75 % of ADA's members are registered dietitians and about 4 % are dietetic technicians, registered. The remainder of ADA's members include researchers, educators, students, clinical and community dietetics professionals, consultants and food service managers.

"People are omnivores we eat BOTH meat, and vegetation."
While it is true that we CAN ear both meat and vegetation, it does not mean we HAVE to eat both.

"Our bodies weren't made to live without meat."
It's not the meat that the human body can't live without; it's the nutrients in the meat. If you can the get the nutrients meat contains from another source, you can live just fine.

"It contains a substantial amount of protein which we need to grow (especially us teenagers)."
This argument assumes meat is the only source of protein. The American Dietetic Association states that "plant sources of protein alone can provide adequate amounts of essential amino acids if a variety of plant foods are consumed and energy needs are met."(2)

Some good examples of Protein that is not found in meet are:
1)BEANS: are protein-rich, and contain a good amount of iron

2)CHICKPEAS: are a helpful source of zinc, folate and protein. They are also very high in dietary fiber and hence a healthy source of carbohydrates for persons with insulin sensitivity or diabetes. Chickpeas are low in fat and most of this is polyunsaturated. (3) (4)

3)LENTILS: Aside from a high level of proteins, lentils also contain dietary fiber, vitamin B1, and minerals. Red (or pink) lentils contain a lower concentration of fiber than green lentils (11% rather than 31%). Health magazine has selected lentils as one of the five healthiest foods. (5)

4)TOFU: is relatively high in protein, about 10.7% for firm tofu and 5.3% for soft "silken" tofu with about 2% and 1% fat respectively as a percentage of weight. Tofu is also low in calories, contains beneficial amounts of iron (especially important for women of child bearing age) and has no cholesterol

5)ALMONDS: One ounce of almonds contains 12 percent of your daily allowance of protein, with no cholesterol; you'll also get 35 percent of your daily allowance of vitamin E, that valuable antioxidant with so many cancer-fighting qualities. And most of the fat in almonds monounsaturated fat, one of the two "good" fats responsible for lowering LDL cholesterol.

Of course there's MUCH, MUCH more. I could go on all day about all the different non-meat foods that contain a sufficient amount of protein, but unfortunately, there is an 8k character limit.

You have no evidence whatsoever to show how a PROPERLY PLANNED ( as opposed to poorly planned) Vegan diet is harmful to the human body. In fact, I can show you evidence that a Vegan diet is actually healthier for the human body than a diet that includes meat:

The US department of agriculture conducted an interesting study which concluded that vegan women may have a higher rate of bone formation than women who eat meat.

The science behind it is very interesting. Unlike proteins in plant foods, meat contains proteins that may be rich in sulfur. As we digest animal proteins, the sulfur in them forms acid. A slight, temporary acid overload: called acidosis may result. The body needs a buffer to regain the natural balance of acidity to alkalinity. One buffer is Calcium Phosphate, which the body can borrow from its bones. The body's taking of Calcium phosphate from the bones increases the risk of osteoporosis, it also unhealthily increases the porosity of the bones.

Here is the study: http://www.ars.usda.gov...

And everything you have said about Animal rights have NOTHING to do with the debate resolution, this is straight up nutrition. Not only is vegetaranism not harmful to the human body, it's arguably healthier than a meat diet.

Sources:

(1)http://www.adajournal.org...
(2)Messina VK, Burke KI (1997). "Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets". Journal of the American Dietetic Association 97 (11): 1317-21.
(3)www.vegsoc.org, Zinc, retrieved 31 January 2008
(4) www.vegsoc.org, Protein, retrieved 31 January 2008
(5)Raymond, Joan (March 2006). World's Healthiest Foods: Lentils (India). Health Magazine.

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Debate Round No. 1
Zeldafan69

Pro

Zeldafan69 forfeited this round.
Bitz

Con

Oh ok. Well..That's cool I guess. I'm sure your buisy and all. Just put something in round 3 allright?
Debate Round No. 2
Zeldafan69

Pro

Zeldafan69 forfeited this round.
Bitz

Con

Wow, what a waist of time.

It seems that you not only have no evidence, you also have no argument.

My humble apologies to anyone viewing this debate for it being such a waist.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bexy_kelly 9 years ago
bexy_kelly
ARGUMENT, sorry

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Posted by bexy_kelly 9 years ago
bexy_kelly
But definatly worth it. You must have scared him off by systematically tearing his arument apart piece by piece and undermining it completly!
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
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Hey thanks. I guess it's just annoying when people simply give up debates after I spend time typing out arguments.
Posted by bexy_kelly 9 years ago
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haha nicly done Bitz, you took his argument apart sentence by sentence. You doing that made it atucally worth reading this debate. And I'm not being sarcastic here, seriously, nicely done!
Posted by GaryBacon 9 years ago
GaryBacon
The foods listed, along with many other non-meat products, do contain a fair amount of iron. However, physiologically the body tends to not absorb the iron efficiently from non-meat products.

Although the intake of Vitamin C (and several other vitamins) can certainly boost the body's ability to absorb iron, looking at the numbers you will still find that even tripling the absorption does not yield the 22% efficiency that occurs with red meat.

There have been some vegetarians that have suffered from anemia because of this, and I've personally known two that suffered from fainting spells as well.

As far as the vitamin B12 goes, in nature it can only be found in animal products. So when those foods are fortified with B12, I must ask: Where did the B12 come from?

B12 is only a problem with vegans. Lacto-ovo vegetarians still get B12 from the eggs and dairy products.

I do honestly believe that vegetarians are less healthy than those that include meat in a well-balanced diet. The difference, however, is slight and probably unnoticable in most cases.
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
What about lacto-ovo-vegetarian, Gary?
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
GaryBacon,

Your points are also debatable.

Iron deficiency is not more prevalent in vegans than in the general population. this is probably because of the higher vitamin C intake of most vegans; vitamin C has been linked to increased iron absorption when taken in conjunction with the source of iron.

Vitamin C is the most potent of a list of several known iron enhancers that also includes other organic acids found in fruit and vegetables, as well as sugars. Vitamin C, can double or triple the amount of iron absorbed when taken with food.

http://www.thalassemia.org...

Iron examples include:

Pistachios
Cashews (roasted)
Whole lentils
Chick peas (boiled)
Wholemeal bread
Sesame seeds or tahini
Black molasses
Apricots (dried)
Spinach (boiled)

Vitamin B12: Vegans can eat food fortified with B12, such as plant milks, some soy products.
Posted by GaryBacon 9 years ago
GaryBacon
This is horrible. I cannot believe that I had to vote Con on this. Arrgh! Though Pro should know that the true problem with health and being a vegetarian is not the lack of protein. It is more likely to be a lack of iron, since iron enters the system most efficiently through red meat.

Also vitamin B12 (aka cobalamin) is only found in animal products, and while this may not be an issue for a mere vegetarian, it could become a problem for the vegans.
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
Leethal, You are correct, of course.

Allow me to rephraise: I believe that within the kingdom animalia, animals with the genus of Homo, and species: sapiens should have more rights than animals with another genus and species.

That make you happy? :)
Posted by leethal 9 years ago
leethal
Hey Bitz, regarding your "I don't think animals should have rights". Umm, hate to break it to you, dude, but you're an animal. You're a member of Kingdom Animalia, along with sheep and pubic lice. You are also no better than any other animal, and no more deserving of rights.
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