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SquadSix
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Chuz-Life
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Video Games Cause Bad Behavior

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SquadSix
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/20/2011 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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SquadSix

Con

I was looking through debates and saw this one occur a few times. I looked into them and saw about two that actually went to the final round, even though one of the two had a forfeit.

I want this debate to be a mix of facts and opinions to show what we feel and what a wide range of people feel. I stand that video games don't cause bad behavior.

This is an acceptance round and I hope you will stick around the entire debate.
Chuz-Life

Pro

Thanks to my opponent (CON) for the chance to debate this subject.

As I posted in the 'comments' section, I have some observations that I would like to make.

Cons claim and argument is that "video games can not or do not cause bad (violent) behavior."

I take the "Pro" position and I accepted this challenge, because I believe that video games can and do cause "bad" and even "violent" behavior in some of the people who play them.

As we have four rounds to this debate and I honestly will not need that much time for my own arguments, I would like to ask my opponent (Pro) a couple of simple questions that will set the premise for my position. Please complete the following saying;

1. "Garbage in equals ___________ out."

2. "You are what you ______."
Debate Round No. 1
SquadSix

Con

To answer your questions, Garbage in equals garbage out and You are what you eat. If I am wrong please address them in your rebuttal.

Now as I said before you must get in significant trouble to be counted as bad behavior. So what games would be included to this list? I would say a game all my friends play would be GTA IV, the MW series, and some fighting games such as Tekken and Soul Calibur. My friends don't go around shooting people or trying to cut people in half with a crystal sword, we are "normal" I use that loosely since normal is a generalized term.

Now here is where I stand, people who use the "The game made me do it" excuse are stupid people who don't deserve to play games. They are misusing the games to get what they want. I also say if the parents think the kids aren't ready for it they shouldn't buy them the game in the first place. I mean anyone who has played MW knows how annoying they can be, and if I am not mistaken a grown man actually chocked a kid(didn't kill him) because the kid made fun of him.
http://www.youtube.com...

Now saying that does necessarily causes bad behavior but then you can't call one incident a "oh my gosh you just lost your case". That is wrong. This is an isolated case. Now going back to the MW series. It is probably the most frustrating game ever created, and people who hate Halo that might be the number 1 to you.

How do people say games cause bad behavior? They say it because of violence. Repeating myself, the parents bought these games, and if they didn't they sure know they are playing it! If you don't want your kids "being mean to kids" because of this game, STOP THEM FROM PLAYING IT!
Who says they aren't being mean because of the parents, because of bullies, or even because they are just trying to get attention and ruin games for kids. If one kid, this is just a random scenario, kills a kid from playing GTA IV I am pretty sure the parents will stop the kids from playing this game.

Now having this so called "bad behavior" is a bad generalization for kids. The parents may think their child is this perfect angel of a kid when they may actually be a bully ruining a kids life but when they finally notice it they will blame the game! If this is true isn't TV evil as well. Football makes adults to some crazy things and things that kids are watching today such as Adventure Time and Regular Show, which use choice words that aren't allowed in school. So games in general can't cause bad behavior they don't even promote bad behavior, they depict bad behavior such as killing people but for some people games are actually a release or escape from the real world.

I shall leave my arguments at this and if you can't get the video I shall repost it in my next argument. I also know Thanksgiving is this week so I hope that won't get in the way.
Chuz-Life

Pro

Thanks to my opponent (Con) for a well worded and thoughtful response and debate.

I (Chuz) took the "Pro" position and I accepted this challenge, because I believe that video games can and do cause "bad" and even "violent" behavior in some of the people who play them.

As we have four rounds to this debate and I honestly will not need that much time for my own arguments, I would like to ask my opponent (Pro) a couple of simple questions that will set the premise for my position. Please complete the following saying;

1. "Garbage in equals ___________ out."

2. "You are what you ______."

MY opponent answered;

"To answer your questions, Garbage in equals garbage out and You are what you eat."

Thank you.

My opponent asked me to list specific games and seems to want to get into the specifics of the "cause and effect" aspects of playing violent video games. However, this debate (challenge) was not worded that way.

This debate simply said "Video Games Cause Bad Behavior." Essentially, either they do or they do not.

The news is repeat with incidence where video games HAVE been the root cause of violence in our societies [1] and I believe that when one considers the two questions that I asked my opponent earlier (garbage in = garbage out & you are what you eat) the relationship becomes increasingly clear.

And I would like to add one other perspective to be considered.

Anyone who follows the Super Bowl in football knows that businesses will spend MILLIONS of dollars for a 30 second spot halftime advertisement during the Super Bowl.

Why else would businesses be willing to spend that kind of money, if they didn't think that 30 Second ad would have the result (effect) of enough people buying their product as to make the investment worthwhile.

30 SECONDS.

Let's think Logically for a minute;

If a 30 second commercial on TV can have the effect of so many people buying a product that they would not otherwise buy,... what sense does it make to hold that the violence and such that a viewer plays an INTERACTIVE role in for HOURS at a time will have absolutely NO affect on that "viewer" at all?

Obviously, statistically it CAN have an affect and this is evidence by many of the stories found in my search. [1]

My observations are made from a logical and realistic perspective. I hope my opponent will not take my observations as a want to further regulate or to ban violent video games. As I am not trying to do so.

I am only trying to keep it real.

"Video games CAN cause bad behavior"

Please vote Pro if you agree.

[1] http://www.bing.com...


Debate Round No. 2
SquadSix

Con

Sorry, thought 4 rounds would seem like a good time period.

Now you say games have been a root cause in our society? I have a problem with this and stop me if this is getting out of the way to much, let's go back 40 years ago. I could give many reasons why kids are being rude or even killing people and also how adults more so are killing people or even just stealing things and I don't think Mario or any game made back them showed violence to a degree that is today so bad behavior is just something this society faces. It is natural, we can put the blame on something but no amount of science or public research will do unless you put a poll for the kids and adults who are doing these things. If they say games, they should be taken away, that is where their scapegoat is taken away. They will continue to do bad things and then we will all realize they were lying.

Now onto the questions you asked me, garbage in equals garbage out and you are what you eat, I can't really counter argue the garbage in equals garbage out but the latter is easy. You are what you eat, so counting on this I am expected to go outside and be food. Now this is an example for those who have a low metabolism, if you take my father he will eat anything and still keep his 150 lbs. weight, but for me, well exercise is key. But now attuning this to games, say I am playing GTA and I steal a car, am I going to go outside get in a car and steal it, no. If I am playing Skyrim am I going to go diving in a cave to find a magical sword that will help me kill a necromancer, no. If I am playing MW or BF will I pick up a gun and expect to get hit 5 times before dying, no.

People today need to learn more morals and be smart enough to tell right from wrong. This goes with your advertisements. I just watch the Super Bowl advertisements because they are funny, I mean did you see the Doritos Ninja, that was hilarious. Everyone hates commercials unless they are for our favorite things. I am more inclined to watch a commercial about a game than to watch one about a Swiffer Sweeper, it all deals to personal preference. I mean commercials are good but some, as we know about Black Friday, actually get people killed or injured for no good reason, so is it safe to say commercials cause BAD BEHAVIOR, if it is Black Friday I say a big YES.

Now onto my arguments.

Let's go back to the 80's when games were starting to pick up. We see games like Mario and Super Mario, oh we get to jump on top of creatures. It is probably the most repetitive game ever, but it is also one of my favorites. It won't make me believe I will jump on people on they will disappear or if I eat a mushroom I will get taller, if I ate a mushroom we all know what might happen. Games are made to entertain such as TV shows. I see a show of Ben 10 or Star Wars The Clone Wars I won't think I will get an omnitrix and defeat aliens or I will get a Clone suit and join the republic. I just sit back and enjoy the shows. I get into games though, when I am playing them. I will act out movements or shout as my character slices into an enemy with a sword but I am not going to physically hurt someone.

To say games are a root cause is ridiculous. Puberty is more of a reason to cause bad behavior, kids start to go against their parents, unless they are truly respectful children, and they will do things against them such as not doing what they say. I was reading up on how they seem to cause bad behavior I saw it talked about the Columbine High School, we should all know what happened their. I remember seeing a documentary on the History Channel, or maybe Discovery Channel, but either way they never talked about them playing violent games, but on this site it did, so I don't know whether to trust the TV or the internet so I will let you be the judge on that.

I kept reading, it said they had a study of 227 college students,why 227, I don't know but it said they all had aggressive behavior in the past, and what did they blame it on, that is right, VIDEO GAMES. But how can they say that when maybe they had a bullying problem in High School and wanted to let it out in those years and years to come. Then they had a second study of 210 students, they separated them and had them play Wolfenstein 3D and Myst. Those who played Wolfenstein had more aggressive behavior than they ones who played Myst, but how can we tell about this again not knowing the personal lives of these students, maybe they are being bullied, having a hard time at home, or even just mean students. I know this isn't all true with every student but we must face some certain facts.

Will all kids act the same to a game? No, some kids (like me) won't be mean because I killed 40 people in a Team Deathmatch, but others may feel superior to others and if the others don't appreciate it he/she may take it out on the others in real life.

My reason for people having bad behavior is like a person who refuses to stop drinking or smoke. They have a lack of self-control and discipline. For us to get rid of bad behavior we must be able to control or selves and release anger in a better manner than killing/stealing/taking out aggression on our peers, we must stop blaming what we play and find the real source whether it be neglect or just self-pity. If everyone knew right from wrong this wouldn't be a problem.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu...

I leave the floor to you Chuz-Life
Chuz-Life

Pro

Thanks again to my opponent for this challenge.

My opponent (Con) Posted: "Now you say games have been a root cause in our society? I have a problem with this and stop me if this is getting out of the way to much, let's go back 40 years ago. I could give many reasons why kids are being rude or even killing people and also how adults more so are killing people or even just stealing things and I don't think Mario or any game made back them showed violence to a degree that is today so bad behavior is just something this society faces. "

Yes sir, I do need to stop you there.

You see, when I said that violent video games have been at the root of problems in our society, I never meant for anyone to take that as "video games are at the root of ALL of the problems in our society."

There are an increasing number of incidence, however where video games and gaming addictions HAVE been at the root cause of violent behavior.

Remember, you claim in this debate is that "Video Games do NOT cause Bad Behavior." It only takes one incident to prove your claim wrong (incorrect).

My opponent (Con) has put himself into a indefensible position. To prove a negative in a debate is much more of a daunting task than is proving a positive. The claim that video games do not cause bad behavior should be easily destroyed by any one of the news stories that I linked to in the search earlier. And there were many. [1]

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My opponent continued; "People today need to learn more morals and be smart enough to tell right from wrong. This goes with your advertisements. I just watch the Super Bowl advertisements because they are funny, I mean did you see the Doritos Ninja, that was hilarious. Everyone hates commercials unless they are for our favorite things. I am more inclined to watch a commercial about a game than to watch one about a Swiffer Sweeper, it all deals to personal preference. I mean commercials are good but some, as we know about Black Friday, actually get people killed or injured for no good reason, so is it safe to say commercials cause BAD BEHAVIOR, if it is Black Friday I say a big YES."

Con seems to have completely missed the analogy I made between TV commercials and video games.

Advertisers spend MILLIONS of dollars on TV commercials because they WORK. They make people go out and BUY things they might not buy otherwise. To say that a 30 second commercial has a great enough impact on peoples behavior as to make the investment worthwhile buy affecting the buying choices by so many with so little exposure..... but that day in and day out INTERACTIVE exposure to the violence of video games has "NO cause of bad behavior" at all is ludicrous. It is especially so, given the many stories we already have where video games HAVE been a factor in the violence.

My opponent makes several points in his arguments that it is not a one size fits all aspect that we are debating here. It is unfair to paint everything with the same brush; and I agree. Con adds (and wiselyso) that there are likely other causes at the root of these incidents as well but we don't live in a vacuum.

If video games lead to bad behavior in any way and in any situation, you have no choice but to vote "pro" in acknowledgement of the fact that they do. This debate was never about whether or not video games are the ONLY factor.

If video games are only one cause of bad behavior among many, video games are still a cause. And that's what we are debating.

Thanks again to my opponent.

Please vote Pro!


[1] http://www.bing.com...
Debate Round No. 3
SquadSix

Con

All right now we may be debating about video games but we must be able to show how other sources of entertainment may factor in on how people may do some crazy things. I shall bring up Ozzy Osbourne. His music that teens listened to made them kill themselves. The parents tried to sue him, but get this a court defended him and not just any court THE SUPREME COURT. The highest court authority is defending a man whose music made children kill themselves but was it truly the music that made them kill themselves? No it was their stupid minds that made things up as they were listening to the song. No way would just listening to a song make you kill yourself even if the song itself kept saying kill yourself in it.

This proves that music causes more bad behavior in teens than games. Games may make you do some stupid things, which is impossible since a game is just a disc you put into a game system or computer that is made for, I don't know ENTERTAINMENT for people who are bored. Games are important tools for creativity for teens like myself. I watched games for 4 years before I even started playing them just to learn more about them. It takes a very weak mind to not being able to stop yourself from taking a gun and high-jacking a car and going on a rampage. Games themselves may, how would I say this, "influence" the actions some kids may take but who is it actually doing these actions? Is the game somehow possessing the games like how demons or ghosts may possess a person? Are these games taking control of their moral being? No, these are just some stupid kids who think they are being cool but are really about to ruin games for every kid under 18 who plays M rated games. If parents think they are the ones protecting their children well they are wrong.

A kid walks up to their parents and says may I have MW3? I will be nice to everyone and won't go on a killing spree! Will the parents say, well now that you put it that way... No that is poor judgement from the parents! You can't blame a child for something that their parental guardians bought for them because if it is games causing the bad behavior and if those news reports are right HOW CAN YOU BLAME THE CHILD!? Oh, it is the child playing this game they are the ones to blame. They aren't the ones who got 60 dollars to pay for it. They aren't the ones who went and bought this M rated game. It was their parents are guardian figures like an older brother or uncle or aunt. You cannot blame a child for a parents mistake. If you don't want you child who is probably a perfect little angel like you portray them to be don't give them M rated games that you might say will "corrupt their little minds!" You cannot blame a child for some mistake another person made! If you blame a child for smoking you must ask yourself who gave them it. Was it the parent? You don't blame the child, you take that child away from that parent and maybe that parent will be facing a fine.

I hope you will realize that children aren't the ones to blame, the parents shouldn't get them these games if you believe it will "make" them do it. No, the human mind is more complex than any game could be, it just takes a little COMMON sense to realize it. If a game makes you jump off a 100 foot building and you survive all the time would you jump off this 100 foot building? NO BECAUSE IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SMARTEST CREATURES ON EARTH BE SMARTER.

If you continue to say that we are debating games and nothing else that is also wrong. As I am to prove that games aren't causing this behavior it is actually the HUMAN MIND. Games are made for entertainment, the HUMAN MIND is created for us to use and if we neglect it's power we shouldn't even watch TV or have one because we won't be able to tell if we are doing something right or wrong.

I hope you will all see that it is the user not the product. Such as a gun can't kill without the help of an outside force such as a human finger or an automated trigger finger that a human would have to make to pull the trigger without picking up the gun.

To say that the commercials make us do things we would rather not is also stupid. Such as a potato chip commercial "it is so good you can't just stop at one." What is someone down right hates those chips. They can have one and stop. Seeing that commercial won't make them want to have more. So saying that if I were to kill 1 billion people on MW is saying I am going to kill 1 person, just one is ridiculous. I would like to meet these so called psychiatric specialists and tell them how I feel on this subject. Not but punching them but sitting down and telling them the truth. I play all the violent games out there and if you were to know me you would say completely otherwise. People must learn how to be good instead of destroying a strong basis of what people do to get rid of stress and anger.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com...
Chuz-Life

Pro

Thanks again to my opponent, Con for his views and an informative debate.

My opponent has taken the liberty to introduce other sources of entertainment to show how they too have been in the past accused of "making people do crazy things."

Pro- posted; "I shall bring up Ozzy Osbourne. His music that teens listened to made them kill themselves. The parents tried to sue him, but get this a court defended him and not just any court THE SUPREME COURT. The highest court authority is defending a man whose music made children kill themselves but was it truly the music that made them kill themselves? No"

This is known as a "red herring" AND also as an "appeal to authority" fallacy. [1]

Ozzy Osbourne's music is not interactive; video games are. The courts may have ruled in Ozzy Osborne's favor but that does not in itself prove that his music had no effect. The authority of the courts in a "music causes bad behavior" case is not an immediate and undeniable expert in a case regarding video games and their influences.

As a person who has written a couple songs for himself, I find the claim that an artist would craft a song and get it marketed with the deliberate intent of it having NO effect on the listeners at all.

Do the words and messages in a song not have any meaning at all?

Why would the artist bother to put any thought into their lyrics at all, if there is no desire to affect the listener?

If Con will acknowledge that there is a certain amount of intent by the song writers to have an effect on the listeners, then it becomes germaine to the discussion to examine what the lyrics are and what message they convey.

Likewise for the video games.

My opponent (Con) continued; "It takes a very weak mind to not being able to stop yourself from taking a gun and high-jacking a car and going on a rampage. Games themselves may, how would I say this, "influence" the actions some kids may take but who is it actually doing these actions?"

It is to Con's credit that he is NOT of a weak mind and that he can play games and either not be influenced at all, or keep the "influences" under control.

However, this debate is not an indictment on my opponent.

This debate is about whether or not "video games cause bad behavior," period. Con just has pretty much acknowledged that for some (weak minded) people... the games do have an "influence."

The definition for the word Influence is; 1. The capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others:[2]

Influence is indeed the very means by which video games can and do "Cause Bad Behavior" in some people.

With the hopes of keeping this response short, I have elected to end my closing argument with the above. Pro goes on to ask several more questions regarding parenting, other causes for bad behavior etc. But those only serve an as appeal to ridicule at worse and fuel for side bar discussions at best.

The challenge of this debate was to address the single point of whether or not video games "cause bad behavior." It's my hopes that the voters will agree that even Con (though reluctantly) agrees that they "can."

Please vote PRO if you agree that for some people (weak minded in Con's opinion) the video games do in fact "influence" their behavior, thus acknowledging the cause and effect relationship of the games.

[1] http://nizkor.org...

[2] http://dictionary.reference.com...

Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
Devon, your comments that coincide with your vote leave me wondering what kind of person Television advertisements are likely to have an effect on? Schizos only?
Posted by SquadSix 5 years ago
SquadSix
All right to clarify what I mean by bad behavior, is has to be able to have you get in trouble with law enforcement or get you suspended from school at least. If you have any other question just ask, or if you want to add something onto the bad behavior if you think it should be in there
Posted by Kinesis 5 years ago
Kinesis
Personally, if I didn't have Skyrim to vent my fantasy needs, I would go out into the street right now and start summoning flame atronarchs to kill everybody. It's a good thing I can play video games.
Posted by Chuz-Life 5 years ago
Chuz-Life
Maikuru makes a good point that this debate is pretty much wide open. I accepted the challenge as I have made some (somewhat) unique observations on this subject in the past that I have not seen made in any of the other debates. I'm anxious to see how much consideration they will have here.

Also, I'm fairly new here and am already involved in another debate. So, please be patient with me.

~ Chuz
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
You may want to specify what you mean by "bad behavior," unless you don't mind a discussion on how staying indoors in the dark for hours on end (rather than violence and aggression, which is what these debates tend to focus on) can be considered positive behavior.
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Reasons for voting decision: video games do not cause bad behavior. or in any better way violence and aggression. u only see a mentally unstable person diagnosed with schizophrenia are more likely to be seduced into violent behavior by a video game, not your every day player.
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Reasons for voting decision: Close debate >.<' Good job you guys...
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Reasons for voting decision: Saw the topic, and like many others, I was on the fence in the beginning. Con, you did great. Pro, you did great.