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radicaalllll
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vekoma123
Con (against)
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Video games are ruining our young men

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vekoma123
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Started: 4/26/2014 Category: Games
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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radicaalllll

Pro

How many times have I encountered a young man using horrid profanity, and using misogynistic language towards female players? It's so much it's uncountable.

It happens too much and it is happening too much. I feel like these video games are turning boys even more perverted and misogynistic than they already are.

Now, I'm not implying all boys are like this, for I know many male gamers who do not act this way towards video games.

Male gamers chanting "Get back in the kitchen!" "Make me sandwich!"

And let's not forget the sexual harassment, that is very common.

And let's not also forget these are YOUNG men saying this, which mean's they are going to grow up and think these things are okay.

Do you ever see female gamers act this way towards male gamers? Well it could happen but definitely not as much as the male players.
vekoma123

Con

Thank you for the opportunity to create a debate for a semi-topical issue within the gaming community.

You really haven't set up a system for how the rounds are going to work, so here is what I will say.
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Reasons why video games are not ruining our young men and why your arguments are not powerful.

1. You are not providing any sources for why video games are ruining young men. You are coming to a conclusion based on personal examples and just focusing on one aspect of notable sexism in society. Please cite sources that state directly that these games are destroying young men and are doing more bad than good.

2. Speaking of which, there have been studies shown that video games actually do have a good side to them.[1]

3. Kitchen and sandwich jokes were probably around way before video games, and it's just general sexism based on cultural adaptations and expectations where women did the cooking and cleaning while men went off to work. Video games had nothing to do with that and do not show any evidence that it is 'destroying' young male players.

4. Sexual harrassment can occur anywhere, not just on video games. It can happen to any gender, not jst one.

5. You say that these are 'young men' saying that stuff and 'they'll grow up and think these things are okay'. What evidence do you have that video game 'sexism' in younger people is going to make them grow up with such a mindset? Again, you are not providing any sources.

6. You say that 'it could happen' with the gender roles switching, but not as much as male players. Again, what evidence do you have that proves your statement to be valid?

I await your rebuttals.

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Sources:
[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Debate Round No. 1
radicaalllll

Pro

I have never said video games doesn't have a positive side to it. In fact, it does; such as improved coordination and improving as far as creating things. Of course video games have a positive effect but here we are looking at the negatives, and those negatives are prior to how women are treated.

In a poll 80% of females experienced sexism and 35% experienced sexual harassment while playing online with males.

A study is found that women are harassed 4 times more than men and that 63% of women had to deal with being called absurd names I cannot state in this debate. Many other insults had to do with the woman's weight or appearance, which is also a form of bullying. And let's not forget about the rape jokes. "I'll rape you!" is often chanted towards female players, and it is indeed an awful for of sexual harassment. Now, I know a lot of gamers use rape as in a term of beating someone in a game, but whether they are talking about beating the player or actually doing the crime itself, it's still a vile comment.

Studies also show about 35% of women actually QUIT playing video games due to the sexual harassment, and the sexism itself. And about 9% quit playing a certain game forever due to the sexual harassment.

Now I know you are going to point it out if I don't put it in this debate, but yes. About 15% of men have experienced sexual harassment while playing video games with others. And sadly, these men are being harassed by other men. Such as being called a faggot, and gay which are the most common insults used against male players.

But let's not forget that women are harassed 4 times more than men. And that men harass other men, which is going against their own gender.

Now like I said in round 1, not all men are guilty of this. Thankfully, there are male gamers who respect and who treat female gamers in a respectful and kind way.

Now I say that this is ruining young men because these harassers are more likely to say these things in real life. Which is not healthy and can cause a problem in that persons life as far as bullying.

At the end of the day 40% of females make up the gaming community, would we really want that percentage to go down because some men don't know how to act like respectful human beings? Let's defend out harassed female and male gamers and stand up to the bullies who do the harassing.

Sources: http://www.vg247.com...
vekoma123

Con

Great to know that you acknowledge there are positives to it, but again, you are focusing on just one side, when you completely dismiss the fact that male gamers receive harassment through gaming as well, sexual harassment included. [1] I do admit that sexual harassment is a problem in the gaming community, but it’s not ‘ruining’ young male gamers.


In response to your article, I will not deny that sexism isn’t a large issue when it comes to gaming, but I see a few issues with it that I must address.

1. The study was polled with 874 respondents. How many people as a whole, men and women, do you think play video games all around the world? Even though 80% of 874 people is still a large number, and the fact that it said “The numbers for men in the same areas were 11.7% and 2.6% respectively – about a third of the percentage for women in each case.” That being said, who knows? Maybe women have sexually harassed men on gaming platforms as well, and you are just focusing on one side.


2. ‘A study is found that women are harassed 4 times more than men’.

I might have overlooked, but I see nothing provided in the source you gave me that gives reference to this study. Please give me that source and I will look at it.


3. You state that ‘I’ll rape you’ is often chanted towards female players.

So how often is ‘often’ to you? I’m not saying that it is not a problem that people are being threatened with rape, but again, what sources can you provide that shows an exact number or approximate of all female gamers who were told this kind of thing and then you will have a good argument to provide outside of a general trend.


4. ‘Studies also show about 35% of women actually QUIT playing video games due to the sexual harassment, and the sexism itself. And about 9% quit playing a certain game forever due to the sexual harassment.’

Yes, of those women who were polled. Not women as a majority. Again, use sources that are specific to what they are saying and not making it cover every single woman in the world.


5. ‘But let's not forget that women are harassed 4 times more than men.’

Again, I see no sources you gave that provide evidence to prove that. Again, you are making a statement that encompasses an audience outside of your point, and not providing sources for that either.


6. ‘Now I say that this is ruining young men because these harassers are more likely to say these things in real life.’

Sources, sources, sources. If they are said online or within a community, aren’t they technically said ‘in real life’?


7. ‘At the end of the day 40% of females make up the gaming community’.

Again, sources please.


8. ‘Let's defend our harassed female and male gamers and stand up to the bullies who do the harassing.’

Cool beans, it’s not a feminist issue, so why were your arguments started primarily on just female gamers being harassed?

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Closing Argument:

I do not think that it is okay to sexually harass anybody on online gaming, or outside of it either. That being said, my opponent has used some relatively unreliable sources for an argument that should not be limited to a certain handful of people for a topic that is so one-sided. If you are going to form a debate, please make sure you provide resources that cover a great majority of everyone and not just 800-so people.

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Sources:

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...

Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by destincow 2 years ago
destincow
ahahahhaahha Video games have negative and positive effects of playing video games Parents think that they are time wasters and some experts that claim to be an expert says they corrupt the brain. That isn't true. Many real experts studied games like call of duty It is a first person shooter game and it helps your eyesight and trains the brain to make faster decisions without losing accuracy. Some video games are now helping people to remember things because old people lose memory and need to remember things Scientist made a game called neoracer and it helped you multi task. It got harder the longer you went. It helped people remember things. They did a test and saw that old people played better than 20 year olds just starting out and old people for a month In shooting games, the character may be running and shooting at the same time. This requires the real-world player to keep track of the position of the character, where he/she is heading, their speed, where the gun is aiming, if the gunfire is hitting the enemy. Defense News reported that the Army include video games to train soldiers improve their situational awareness in combat. Many strategy games also require players to become mindful of sudden situational changes in the game and adapt accordingly. Kids aren't drawn to violent video games because of the violence. They want to see explosions fireworks and others cool displays. When people tell you that violent video games make you violent that isn't true its just that violent people just like violent games. All those people get their information from the media. Many people are influenced by famous people who are paid to say things they don't believe. Many experts have done tests and it turned out that people who weren't violent were just the same before they played video games.

not many bad things about video games
Posted by radicaalllll 2 years ago
radicaalllll
Aouzy already on it, bae
Posted by Aouzy 2 years ago
Aouzy
Go back to Tumblr.
Posted by Daktoria 2 years ago
Daktoria
I just wanted to say this was a very shocking debate.

Usually, when I discuss this issue with feminists, they say they're OK with video games. They're an alternative form of entertainment to traditional lifestyles which involve technology instead of religion.

Perhaps this debate would have been better had in multiculturalist context where the issue of technological consumerism deconstructing the social fabric of ethnic minorities could have been brought up.
Posted by vekoma123 2 years ago
vekoma123
Okay, well here is the reason why I was confused about that.

What you are actually trying to say is that in the study itself, it was found that women were harassed four times more than men, and it was not just limited to sexual harassment.

The way you worded it before made it sound that women, in general, are harassed 4 times more than men in the gaming community. There is a very, very, big difference between the two, and you must be careful on how you word your arguments.
Posted by radicaalllll 2 years ago
radicaalllll
"Matthew"s study found that women were harassed four times more than men (http://www.vg247.com...).

Lol, okay.
Posted by vekoma123 2 years ago
vekoma123
1. If you are going to provide percentages, it is best to use a source. I could say that 80% of all men play sports, but if I say 'oh, you don't need a source, it's common sense that everyone can relate to', it's not a good argument or citation, eh?

2. I reviewed and read it *again* and still do not see anything that explicitly states 'women are 4 times more likely to be harassed'. I think you are the only who needs to try reading it. I even used the browser tool 'find' and nothing showed up for that. Please enlighten me by showing me where you are getting that from.

3. Yeah, if you say a word often enough, you will most likely use it again. However, that's not anything that proves whether or not video games are directly causing that to happen, or that it's 'ruining' men.

4. Well guess what, if you didn't know it was going to get so serious, then you shouldn't be here. If you provide an argument or statement that is broad or even sexist in its own way, you are going to experience that. That's reality.
Posted by radicaalllll 2 years ago
radicaalllll
You don't need sources for every damn detail, most of it is just common sense everyone can relate to. Like I said with 40% of females making up the gaming community, you don't need a source for that and although I said you need a source when it comes to statistics.. it's just common sense. Almost everyone knows at least 1 woman who plays video games.

When I said women are 4 times more likely to be harassed, yes that was in the source, try reading it.

When I said men who harass people on games are more likely to harass in real life. Once again, common sense. When you chant "you're a faggot!" over and over again on a game, don't you think you're gonna do it in real life? So possible.

I don't need sources for that, sorry dear.

(I regret not putting 3 rounds, I didn't know it was going to get so serious! Hahaha.)
Posted by vekoma123 2 years ago
vekoma123
Nathan-D,

Resources provide a backbone for arguments, that is why people use them in debates. If people cannot cite sources that prove their argument to be valid, it is not a true debate at all.

You wanna talk about 'progressive'? Yeah, the amount of people in modern society and in college who rant about social justice topics who don't look closely into the facts and instead spew propaganda.
Posted by radicaalllll 2 years ago
radicaalllll
Verk, about 90% of things I said in round 2 WERE in the sources.. did you even read the source?

I'm pretty sure everyone can relate to me that almost everything I said was in the source except for my opinion..

Why so source hungry brah?
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Vote Placed by Raymond_Reddington 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con spent a lot of time complaining about sources and questioning their reliability but only succeeded in criticizing the sample size. An major argument of con's was that harassment happens to both genders but this was irrelevant to the topic. Perhaps its ruining both genders. Con did source better.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con immediately leaped to conclusions over Pro not citing sources which ignores the limits of empirical debate. Pro made a rational proposition instead which means empirical debate isn't necessary. This is especially surprising in a debate about video games which are virtual and abstract, not actual or concrete. In other words, Con came off as an extreme hypocrite. Con also leaped to criticism over personal experience which is both a personal attack as well as ignorant since personal experience can qualify as observing a systemic issue. Just because someone personally experiences something doesn't mean someone's personally the problem. At the end of the day, Con had no willingness to discuss social ontological issues and came off incredibly anti-intellectual.
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Reasons for voting decision: Bit of a one sided debate. Con had the best arguments imo