Vietnam War Hawks vs Doves
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I accept, I argue that the United States should not have been involved in the Vietnam war.
These are my points, I hope to hear your response soon
*Quotes from Pro are Italicized and Underlined*
Pro has taken the usual American stance that I expected. With complete negativity to anything and everything that is 'communist'.
Another point in the Domino Effect, if we let Vietnam be Communist then goodness knows how many other countries will fall to that dreaded system. Asia already has 450 million people lost under dreaded communist dictatorships. And there can"t be any further losses.
The majority of the Vietnamese people wanted a communist government, whether it is good or not is another debate. I am a pro-socialist however I do know that many communist regimes were terrible. Vietnam was NOT one of them.
Many of the Vietnamese considered America as the heir of French colonialism and the unpopular President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam as its puppet emperor.
However, the popularity of the North Vietnamese government was soaring. People even defected from the South to the North.
"Of the estimated 20,000 guerillas at least one third are South Vietnamese. The other are either northern "volunteers" or Southern refugees now living in the North."
Without doubt, the majority of the vietnamese wanted a united communist vietnam. Therefore it is only democratic that Vietnam should be united in a communist government.
A democratic United States should not have tried to go against the will of what the majority of vietnamese want. Let them decide their own future, how can the US intervene?
The United States does not have the right to invade any country as they please just because they prefer another economic system.
The US committed many war crimes in Vietnam, such as using chemical weapons.
"During the Vietnam War, between 1962 and 1971, the U.S. military sprayed nearly 20 million gallons of material containing chemical herbicides and defoliants mixed with jet fuel over parts of Vietnam"
My souce  shows many of the birth defects children suffer even today and of course, the large scale slaughter of innocent civilians.
This could have all been avoided if the United States minded its own business instead of poking their imperialist noses into Vietnam (hey, thats what the vietnamese feel).
Communism always fails.
PS. No matter what I say I know I will probably lose
The Vietcong during the battle of Hue systematically rounded up officials and 'traitors' and killed them
Pro makes allegations but has no source to back this up. Even if we were to believe him, those officials are not civilians, they were enforcers of an totalitarian government (South Vietnam) which the people hated.
There is no rebuttal that some people in South Vietnam wanted Communism
I proved that the MAJORITY wanted communism, not just some.
US troops in Vietnam were trying to fight for, freedom of speech
Freedom of speech maybe, but freedom of choice? If the US invasion was successful, would the Vietnamese have a choice to be communist? No, they would be a puppet of the US.
but what about the people that wanted democracy
It is a common misconception that communism can never be democratic, this notion is incorrect. Infact since most people in vietnam wanted communism, it can be argued that it is somewhat democratic. Defenitely more democratic than South Vietnam.
Pro implies that the South Vietnamese government was a democracy. This is incorrect, South Vietnam was a dictatorship, and was unpopular with the people unlike the North. My source clearly states that South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem was a "president with dictatorial powers" and he ruled till his death (this is what the US fought for, a dictator)
What the Con side has mentioned is that 'many communist regimes were terrible. Vietnam was NOT one of them.' What I want to know is how do you know?
It was the communists who freed Vietnam from the French and communists who united their people and drove away the US invaders as per the people's will, be it north vietnamese or south vietnamese.
Everyone knows that the idea of Communism is just a theory that never works properly...Communism always fails.
That is no reason to invade other countries killing innocent civilians with chemical weapons.
PS. No matter what I say I know I will probably loseWhy are you saying this? To get sympathy votes? Please do not tell me you have gone to that level.
If the US had not invaded vietnam, the country would have been united faster, the southerners would not have suffered under an unpopular dictator, people would not have lost their lives and their family member's lives and children would not be living with chemical weapons affects today.
Hence the United States should not have waged war in Vietnam.
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
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