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Rockylightning
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haxandrew
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Viruses are living creatures

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/26/2010 Category: Health
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Rockylightning

Pro

Virus: any of a large group of submicroscopic infective agents that are regarded either as extremely simple microorganisms or as extremely complex molecules, that typically contain a protein coat surrounding an RNA or DNA core of genetic material but no semipermeable membrane, that are capable of growth and multiplication only in living cells, and that cause various important diseases in humans, lower animals, or plants;

Living: having life : not dead or inanimate

http://www.merriam...
haxandrew

Con

Viruses are not in the kingdom of living things. It's not even a single-celled organism. A virus is little more than a strand of DNA or RNA covered by a protein coating. Viruses are a thousand times smaller than bacteria.

To determine whether a virus is alive or not, we could compare the virus's characteristics to what many biologists consider the requirements of life.

IT cannot:
* Reproduce
* Obtain and use energy
* Grow, develop, and die
* Respond to the environment
Debate Round No. 1
Rockylightning

Pro

My opponent's source debates itself.

It CAN
*Reproduce
*Obtain and use energy
*Grow Develop and Die
*Respond to the enviroment

Viruses DO have DNA or RNA, they, like living things, viruses evolve through time and thus can adapt to their environment! Viruses do grow, develop and die because viruses evolve all the time, and viruses CAN die.

My opponent's point has been refuted.

Viruses (according to def.) are not dead, inanimate, or non-functional, therefore the motion still stands
haxandrew

Con

The only way it can reproduce is by attacking a host cell. - it can't just find a similar virus and mate with it, now can they?
IT does not obtain and use energy.- if so, please explain the source
IT absolutely cannot develop and die.
IT does not grow up, develop and die. - a virus cannot grow inside its protein coat, therefore it does not grow.
And it does not respond to the environment, they only react in hosts.

Viruses do not have a single living cell in them, thus, simply, its not al
Debate Round No. 2
Rockylightning

Pro

[1] Just because they need a host cell doesn't mean they cannot reproduce, they do it differently.
[2] My source is your source, I'm surprised you asked because you supposedly "read that source"
[3] They CAN develop and die- viruses evolve therefore developing- there is no medicine that kills viruses yet, this does not mean they cannot die

[4] Viruses react differently towards their different environments, that's how they find hosts!

According to My definitions viruses are "alive"

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haxandrew

Con

According to your definition, your source is a lie, there is no page.

They can reproduce, with themselves, and only with a host cell.
Please explain how they develop and die, for there are no vaccines against viruses.
on your last refute, how can a virus find a host just because it's in a different environment? It's not gonna go, "oo its cold, i'm in a host!" When they really aren't.

Anyways, viruses cannot metabolize food, or turn food energy into chemical energy.
Source next round.
Debate Round No. 3
Rockylightning

Pro

Definition: http://www.merriam-webster.com...
IT doesn't matter how big it is, it has to be "ALIVE" in definition. Size does'nt matter.
Just because a virus needs a host to reproduce does not make it "dead"
Viruses go around, when they find a host they start interacting with it and reproducing, NO "dead" object can do this.
To win this debate I have to prove that viruses are "alive" according to my definition.
Because my opponent has not proven that viruses are inanimate, VOTE
haxandrew

Con

I did not say that anything, no matter how big it is, declines it's ability to live.
Viruses can't reproduce like us, they cant go virus-on-virus, now can they?
Your source is irrelevant, for you have not proved that viruses are not dead.
Source: http://library.thinkquest.org...
Viruses do not have have an organized cell structure.
And if the virus is not in a host cell yet, it is completely dormant.
Source: http://serc.carleton.edu...
Debate Round No. 4
Rockylightning

Pro

Some insects see in infrared, not like us, are they not life? I have proved that viruses are not dead, for something to be dead it has to be lacking power to move, feel, or respond. Viruses move, feel, and respond (when they are in a host they respond and multiply).
Lets compare, a rock is dead. Does a rock have DNA? No, does a rock reproduce? No. Viruses are clearly animate. Therefore, not dead.
Bears hibernate, are they dead? NO!

My opponent failed to prove viruses are dead.
Vote PRO!
haxandrew

Con

What does infrared vision have to do with anything?
Viruses do not move, feel, nor respond. Only when in a host, they may reproduce only.
A rock is irrelevant. Almost everything my opponent has stated is irrelevant.
Viruses do not have a living cell, they are dormant when not in host. I have not seen one single source proving viruses are alive by my opponent.
He has only said they are animate.
No evidence. I have stated evidence, for example, they cannot get killed, this they are not alive
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Sonofkong 7 years ago
Sonofkong
Does anyone here know the term Asexual. It means reproducing without the help of partners and is considered reproducing.
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
"and my opponent even ADMITS that his cases were incorrect" just another out of the many reasons to vote for the pro.
Posted by haxandrew 7 years ago
haxandrew
eh i might have that wrong...
Posted by belle 7 years ago
belle
hax.... do you know what a vaccine does? LOL

think about it. they're offering an H1N1 vaccine right now right? and flu... influenza... whats that caused by again?

man i can't believe i missed that. good catch WJM.
Posted by Rockylightning 7 years ago
Rockylightning
That does not mean they are not alive! If a human was created invincible, that does not mean he is not living. wjmelements... thank you for clarification... I couldn't because of lack of characters...

bad descision...
Posted by haxandrew 7 years ago
haxandrew
yes, correct, wjmelements, nothing can kill a virus, no vaccine or cure for one.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"there are no vaccines against viruses."

Wut
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"Viruses do not have have an organized cell structure."
Neither do most species.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Below was referring to sexual reproduction.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"The only way it can reproduce is by attacking a host cell. - it can't just find a similar virus and mate with it, now can they?"
Most organisms do not reproduce in that manner.
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