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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/10/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Tatarize

Con

Mongeese claimed that voting properly, a person should be allowed to take into account comments made by a debater in comments after a debate.
In the comments of http://www.debate.org...

He contends that:
http://www.debate.org...

He supports himself by saying:
"Actually, the voting was only said to exclude comments made by members not in the debate. You are part of the debate, so your comments count."

The site says:
Remember, the basis for decision should NOT include:

* Opinions held you, but not mentioned by the debaters.
* Conversation with any persons during or after the debate round.
* Comments made by other members of the site.

I contend that Mongeese is wrong and is trying to backpedal and justify his clearly hypocritical opinion of taking comments made after a debate into account in a debate where he contends that *all* such voting is an abuse.

As he turned down this debate, I'm opening it up to the floor. Can you take comments made after the debate into account in the voting, if you're voting according to regulations?
InfraRedEd

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http://www.debate.org...

Don't waste time debating these "twins."

As far as comments, the whole debate.org system is so flawed it would take

Here's my canned rant:

Currently serious debaters avoid online debating, and for good reason. Online debaters do not understand even the simplest concepts, such as both sides having "burden of proof." The notion that only one side has "burden of proof" is, just from a fairness standpoint, entirely erroneous. Neither side has any more "burden of proof" than the other.

Plagiarism such as http://www.debate.org... , plagiarized from http://www.fiu.edu... and http://www.debate.org... , plagiarized from http://www.finitesite.com... is not being addressed.

Multiple accounts:

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

and

http://www.debate.org...

http://www.debate.org...

all from Spring, Texas.

We need a set of rules, or a set of sets of rules, that can be specified and agreed to before beginning the debate, and scoring criteria that reflect those rules, and experienced moderators.

We need to give some thought as to how to adapt debating tournament rules to online debating.

The debaters have to have confidence that all will be able to vote, and will vote fairly.

Cell phones must not be used to verify identity.

There should be more flexibility in specifying the debate.

There should be voting after each round.

More statistics should be available.

It should be possible to display debates by category.

More participation, and proper debating technique learned by all should be encouraged.

Educators need to look more to the Internet for the delivery of "open courseware" utilizing "distance technology."

Debating has moved from the courts into the auditorium. Its next move is the big one.

So yes there should be commenting and voting and more commenting and more voting and in fact a whole discussion group to discuss the debate. The comments should be used more but the whole argument should appear in the argument box. No "see comments." Not only the comments don't have a date on them. You have to post your whole argument in the time alloted and space alloted.
Debate Round No. 1
Tatarize

Con

I concede there are flaws. Many flaws that run deep in the voting of the site. Some have seen my ideas as to how to fix and repair these errors. However, that isn't the standarding by which this debate is to be judged.

The current letter of the law clearly says such actions are not permitted, nor would any proposed reparations to the law make one able to take into account comments made after the fact. Even in a perfect system, such comments should be excluded from consideration.

I'm happy to concede massive flaws, but this debate is on the letter of the law and not what the law should be. Although, on both counts you do not succeed. Though flawed, this is not one of the flaws, when voting aptly the comments should not sway a person as to the quality of the debate.
InfraRedEd

Pro

What "standardings" and what letter of what law and where is it please and now you are ready to start a debate maybe. I'll be here.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
Ed, You should seriously consider one of the decaffeinated brands.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
Of course. The "twins" are homeless and unable to attend school. They work seventeen hour days supporting the other twins in the family.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
I'll show you bad behavior.
Where did the title http://www.debate.org... come from, Roy? http://www.finitesite.com...
Not to mention "temperatures rising exponentially," "cambian dieback," "confirmation fallacy?"
Where did you copy them from?
It is the piecemeal attack strategy that is bad science.
That and those evil paleoclimatologists who use the peer review process to keep out Steve and Ross and who else?
At least we have statisticians to protect us from those paleoclimatologists.
The "standard view?" Wait a minute you just trashed those guys.
What standard? Oh the National Bureau of Standards.
He asserts that the paleoclimatologists have formed a "closed group," using the peer review process to exclude, well, Steve McIntyre and himself and he does not mention anyone else. The National Academy however, presumably by not admitting these paleo ruffians, has declared that bistlecone pines (Pinus aristida Englm.) are not reliable indicators of climate data. I would certainly like to see that opinion.
Linah Ababneh

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:sfTTXv0ENKQJ:geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/deserts/paclim/PACLIM%2520abstracts.pdf+National+Academy+bristlecone+pines&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

has declared such an opinion but she is not the National Academy and is not on track to get there anytime soon. "I would rather be water boarded at Guantanamo Bay than take a class with this woman again," declares a student, in http://www.ratemyprofessors.com...

Thanks Roy
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
Oh please not the "twins" again. When I asked for an investigation over a dozen memberships were canceled from Spring, Texas. An even number anyway. All at once, including another set of "twins."

I suppose "they" go to different school districts too. Let's see what they have to say about it. A school district ought to know if there are any "twins."

Real twins would have known that multiple sets of twins in the same family is not that uncommon.

Both of those who "know" the "twins" are middle schoolers also who think adults are all as stupid as those who own and debate on DDO.

Probably most of DDO as well. The mode is 18.
Posted by mongoose 8 years ago
mongoose
WE ARE TWINS

Seriously...
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
"...all from Spring, Texas."
Will you just stop it, please?
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
*sigh* Should have argued that the "protocol" wasn't proper in the first place. Indeed, you kind of went in that direction, but not sufficiently. Gotta vote CON.
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
RoyLatham
Pro did not address the issue. No argument plus bad conduct.
Posted by InfraRedEd 8 years ago
InfraRedEd
Unless your point is a violation in which case it should be reported by clicking on where it says "Report this (comment)(argument)(debate)" but there is no "report this [body part]."
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