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Mhykiel
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Ozzyhead
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Votes on debates are confirmation bias

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Started: 5/6/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Mhykiel

Pro

Confirmation bias is the selection of evidence that supports a person already held belief.

Votes on DDO exhibit that many voters in open voting do not actually read the debates or objectively judge the evidence. They vote according to the side they want.

The best thing to when debates would be to straw man your opponents arguments and take a position in accordance with the naturalistic materialist atheistic position.
Ozzyhead

Con

I can't wait to see the evidence you have to support your claim
Debate Round No. 1
Mhykiel

Pro

Take this debate where my opponent (this opponent) forfiets when the resolution is confirmed to be irrational rhetoric.
http://www.debate.org...

It is still unvoted on becuase people don't want to vote against something they like spewing forth.

Or this debate:
http://www.debate.org...

Where my opponent in the comment section admits to taking the time to troll about other people. He does not address any of the points I put forward. The votes align with him even tho my arguments were enough to give him something to thinkabout and he in the comment section thought he would lose.
Ozzyhead

Con

It seems as though my opponent has made a generalization. I would also like to point out that there is actually a vote. A vote that is in favor of my opponent completely, giving him 7 points. It is expected for my opponent to get votes in his favor in that debate because his opponent forfeited and commented that he encourages all possible points to go to the opponent. Of course, it is possible that the voter saw that debate after this one started. It's also likely that the person voted on the debate in favor of my opponent saw this debate and went on over to that debate and voted with a goal to prove my opponent wrong.
In the second debate, I see people giving points to my opponent, and it is not obvious to the average person that they are voting in a bias fashion
Debate Round No. 2
Mhykiel

Pro

The votes that my opponent point out I urge the audience to look at the time stamps. Thay will see those votes were added after this debate was started. No doubt this debate gave some attention to those mentioned above.

So I decided to look at the most votes cast, by whom, and active with in the last 6 months. This is a list of 79 members.

User Link Online Beleif Debates Votes
http://www.debate.org... Agnostic 91 519
http://www.debate.org... 1 day Agnostic 51 433
http://www.debate.org... 4 weeks Agnostic 164 398
http://www.debate.org... Agnostic 179 354
http://www.debate.org... Agnostic 174 278
http://www.debate.org... 2 months Agnostic 42 261
http://www.debate.org... 23 hours Agnostic 74 231
http://www.debate.org... 4 months Agnostic 32 210
http://www.debate.org... 21 Atheist 236 2082
http://www.debate.org... 0 Atheist 50 1452
http://www.debate.org... 20 hours Atheist 42 612
http://www.debate.org... 6 months Atheist 121 605
http://www.debate.org... 2 months Atheist 62 563
http://www.debate.org... 3 days Atheist 135 464
http://www.debate.org... 5 days Atheist 54 371
http://www.debate.org... Atheist 11 359
http://www.debate.org... Atheist 135 346
http://www.debate.org... 8 hours Atheist 406 343
http://www.debate.org... 3 months Atheist 83 319
http://www.debate.org... Atheist 39 315
http://www.debate.org... 4 months Atheist 130 285
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Atheist 14 276
http://www.debate.org... 8 hours Atheist 28 259
http://www.debate.org... Atheist 144 254
http://www.debate.org... 2 weeks Atheist 46 230
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Atheist 71 224
http://www.debate.org... 4 months Atheist 73 214
http://www.debate.org... 1 day Atheist 37 202
http://www.debate.org... 1 day Atheist 235 202
http://www.debate.org... 1 week Atheist 92 201
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Atheist 18 200
http://www.debate.org... 2 months Atheist 35 196
http://www.debate.org... 5 days Secular 407 984
http://www.debate.org... 3 weeks Secular 49 201
Total = 3104 13258
http://www.debate.org... 19 Christian 284 1301
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Christian 537 1200
http://www.debate.org... 3 days Christian 198 1150
http://www.debate.org... Christian 176 645
http://www.debate.org... 4 weeks Christian 108 617
http://www.debate.org... Christian 140 549
http://www.debate.org... 2 weeks Christian 85 543
http://www.debate.org... 4 days Christian 75 485
http://www.debate.org... 2 months Christian 129 460
http://www.debate.org... 4 days Christian 69 378
http://www.debate.org... 4 hours Christian 201 307
http://www.debate.org... Christian 69 272
http://www.debate.org... 3 days Christian 42 261
http://www.debate.org... Christian 14 260
http://www.debate.org... Christian 90 252
http://www.debate.org... 1 week Christian 156 246
http://www.debate.org... Christian 67 245
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Christian 18 222
http://www.debate.org... 2 months Christian 110 219
Total = 2568 9612
http://www.debate.org... Daoist 78 297
http://www.debate.org... 4 days Deism 59 434
http://www.debate.org... 1 week Deism 77 359
http://www.debate.org... 14 hours Hindu 31 324
http://www.debate.org... Jewish 45 295
http://www.debate.org... Scientology 63 501
http://www.debate.org... 1 month Taoist 41 331
Total = 394 2541
http://www.debate.org... 6 days 44 1022
http://www.debate.org... 21 17 871
http://www.debate.org... 6 months 53 614
http://www.debate.org... 1 week 14 612
http://www.debate.org... 4 months 49 448
http://www.debate.org... 4 65 428
http://www.debate.org... 48 417
http://www.debate.org... 3 week 41 356
http://www.debate.org... 11 months 10 344
http://www.debate.org... 31 324
http://www.debate.org... 1 week 3 296
http://www.debate.org... 84 279
http://www.debate.org... 6 months 20 268
http://www.debate.org... 23 253
http://www.debate.org... 1 month 90 244
http://www.debate.org... 5 month 31 226
http://www.debate.org... 1 month 13 216
http://www.debate.org... 33 202
http://www.debate.org... 1 week 50 200
Total = 591 4501

As you can see Atheist account for 13, 258 votes cast in a 4 year period only counting those active in the last 6 months. Almost equal to every one else's votes 16,654. Of course some members who claim no religious status could be of the Atheist, Agnostic, Secular persuasian.


This trend only provides evidence that the voting body on DDO is mostly Atheist, Agnostic, or Secular.

There are two voting requirements of interest to this debate: "Agreed with before the debate" and "Agreed with after the debate" Unfortunately many people, especially those that exhibited bias voting, did not fill these two criteria in. Many data points supporting my case had to be excluded due to cognitive dissonance. For instance, in a debate titled "God exists" many Atheist remarked tied for before and after. But awarded greater than 4 points to the CON. This makes no sense for before or after.

It coms appearent after doing the research that a more honest vote is achieved around 5 votes. That there are some voters who do vote biasly and if they are the only one who votes on a debate it will be skewed. Christian and other religious voters tended to provide more character length RFD's when voting against a previously held position. Unless in the case of forfiets Atheist tended not to vote Pro for non-secular resolutions.

Closing. It's a tough Atheist crowd.
Ozzyhead

Con

I see the links my opponent has provided. I would actually like to point out some other debates that show voters who have disagreed with the person that they gave the most points to. Who can say for sure if people had biased votes? I admit I have had the temptation to give the points to a person in a debate that I agreed with even when they're argument wasn't better. I didn't vote like that, only tempted to. But no one can say for sure, and even fewer people will admit that the voters are confirmation bias. I also want to encourage all readers to not go to another debate with this debate in mind because it will affect the statistics my opponent is trying to prove.
I believe it is very possible that people do not choose who they agree with before and after so that people do not believe they are biased. I believe people would think they were biased if they showed who they agreed with before the debate. My opponent's argument is along the same lines as my last sentence, however, I believe that the reverse is just as possible and actually more likely. We are not inside the heads of our voters, and until we are, it is unfair to act like we know what is going on.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ArcTImes 3 years ago
ArcTImes
lol
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
that was a PC way of saying, "yes itz cuz you black"
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
No you have 0 votes cast. This is about bias vote casting. How could you at all be considered in the sample space.
Posted by ArcTImes 3 years ago
ArcTImes
What? I was not in the atheist list. Is it because I'm negro?
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
Con should win this debate as I could not fully support my resolution based on incomplete date. If the criteria of "agreed with before and after" was marked I could have shown a stronger correlation. I still appreciate the debate because I know whom to look out for. Both religious and Atheist voters that exhibit a strong tendency to bias voting.

SNP1 and Arctimes neither of you exhibited a statical anomaly of cognitive bias.
Posted by Cutiepuffle 3 years ago
Cutiepuffle
Sorry, Mhykiel.
Posted by ArcTImes 3 years ago
ArcTImes
"What is funny, is this is said when none of Pro's arguments are rebutted. So how would you judge that?"

I don't know.. maybe adding a new criteria to the votes for rebuttals lol. Maybe considering rebuttals inside of arguments. Anyway, it is possible to have better arguments in that case. It is difficult to talk about it without reading the case you are talking about.

PD: If I don't return or don't vote for you, don't think it is because I hate you or because I didn't read the debate lol.
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
When people saying something that I think is an assertion with out basis I will challenge them to a debate. These often go unanswered. I am merely posting a debate of an assertion I have made and will make. I should be able to back up what I say.
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
I'll present my evidence in the debate. I was saying a RFD of "Con had better arguments" doesn't say either way if they really weighed the arguments. What is funny, is this is said when none of Pro's arguments are rebutted. So how would you judge that? And this is on debates I was not participating in.
Posted by ArcTImes 3 years ago
ArcTImes
Cool, then you don't have evidence of what you are saying, or in other words, the resolution of this debate.
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