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Voting Should Be Compulsory

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Started: 3/17/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BlessedPaim

Pro

I believe voting should be obligatory, it is not a real democracy if not EVERYONE has a say.

Round one is acceptance.
RedRebel86

Con

You're right, with only 54.2% of eligible voters voting - it's not a real say of the American people with who is elected.

However, it would be undemocratic (ironically) in attempting to be more democratic, as forcing people to do something they don't want to do is a violation of the First Amendment. Someone, by not voting, can be saying or implying that the American political system sucks and voting is stupid, this is Freedom of Expression and their means of free-speech. By forcing them to vote, we then deprive them of that freedom and in turn become more authoritarian than we ought to be.

It is not the government's role to force people to express themselves, merely to protect their right to do so, and by making voting compulsory the government no longer protects that right but infringes upon it by making people express something they don't inherently want to.
Debate Round No. 1
BlessedPaim

Pro

Although I understand that point of view by " The Freedom Of Expression" I believe that, in this case, there should be an exception.

"The character of every act depends upon the circumstance in which it is done."

1.Compulsory voting increases the number of people who cast their vote

People who know they will have to vote will take politics more seriously and start to take a more active role. Compulsory voting will potentially encourage voters to research the candidates' political positions more thoroughly.
This may force candidates to be more open and transparent about their positions on many complex and controversial issues. This means that such a system could produce better political decisions that are not contradicting each other, quite upon the contrary.

2. Making voting an obligation would increase the amount of voter in a significant manner, broadening the representation of smaller/disadvantaged groups.

Democracy is usually overruled and misrepresented by the larger parties, making it an unfair judgement. If everyone voted it would mean that there would be more truthful opinions based on the party leaders attitude. More people voting means more fair democracy.

3.People don"t vote for reasons that are somewhat related to apathy such as; they think their vote won"t count, apathy, lines are too long or cannot get to polling area.

We Are In The 21st Century.

3.1 Apathy is a lack of interest, concern or enthusiasm.

http://survation.com...

This survey shows that a great number of people with apathy towards democracy feel more or less the same about it as non-voters. The only reason behind they don"t vote is really just the reason behind their apathy, so lets see that.

3.2 Reasons for Voter Apathy

http://www.zencollegelife.com...

This article explains EXACTLY what I am trying to explain to you.

We Are In The 21st Century.

There is no REAL reason for people NOT to vote. Simply not wanting to is not right, unacceptable. They do not know how important their vote is to any government candidate.

Compulsory voting would make voters/people incline to know more about Democracy, increasing their interest in it and helping them realize how important their vote is to the government and all political party.~

Votes make a difference, America wants a difference. More Votes, more differences.
RedRebel86

Con

You want to make the vote compulsory because it might make a difference and might represent the "say" of the American people.

But disregarding the constitution for hypothetical gains is foolish, and here's why:

1) You cannot prove more votes makes more of a difference. You can research and guess and do all the calculations you want, but by the end of the day until you make voting mandatory there is no way of knowing if there would be any change as a result of it. Logically there wouldn't be, and by making voting compulsory you ruin people's motivations to vote. (i.e. forcing someone to do something isn't motivating them to do something)

2) Let's say it's Democratic to not practice Catholicism. It encourages "hate speech" against homosexuality, therefore undemocratic. The constitution clearly states Freedom of Religion, yes? But it's "democratic" (it's also an opinion on what's democratic) to not practice an idea which preaches inequality of treatment. So why doesn't the government just ban Catholicism? The less religion you have, the more "Democratic" of a society - so why not? It would be violating the constitution in pursuit of making a more Democratic society, the exact same thing you're for doing. So if you're against my proposal, then you would then have to redress your own logic.
Debate Round No. 2
BlessedPaim

Pro

"Voting is an integral part of democracy, without this process we go back to oligarchy were only a few people decide;
The idea of democracy is to avoid this.

So how will mandatory voting help?

Well first let us look at the statistics, in America's 2008 Presidential Election only 64% of the population voted, less than 2/3 of the population voted! If the other 36% had voted I'm sure there would have been a different turn out."

This statement proves that more votes make more of a difference.

You say that "The less religion you have, the more "Democratic" of a society", this is not correct.
Democracy is decided upon the votes of the majority. If the "majority" is religous, then the vote of the religous (if all the same) will decide the poll.

Democracy is not about the reason or background of the decisionmade by each individual, it is about which choice was voted by the majority of voters! So that quote is not a fact.

This statement will also help you understand that more votes make more of a difference.
It"s not about the origin of the vote....that is not of interest. As long as there are more people voting there will definitely be a difference, for better or for worse.

I will reference a sentence in your argument; " there is no way of knowing if there would be any change ":

OF COURSE THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING!
No-one can tell the future! I am here to try and prove to you with facts and evidence that this would be the best way to go.
RedRebel86

Con

RedRebel86 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
BlessedPaim

Pro

Seeing that you have forfeited "Round Three", I will take my time to add a few more points to why Voting should be compulsory.

Compulsory voting seeks to help the people live in a better democratic society, seeing that ALL OF THEM make a difference and have their say.
It would significantly lower the amount of people complaining about how their say does not make a difference, as they will believe , since everyone is voting, all says are of the same importance. Non less than another.

I wish to hold my argument here.
RedRebel86

Con

RedRebel86 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
BlessedPaim

Pro

Red Rebel 86 has forfeited round four.

SO everyone i have won this debate.
Go up and vote there if you haven"t already!
RedRebel86

Con

RedRebel86 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by BlessedPaim 1 year ago
BlessedPaim
good point.,
Posted by TheOregonian 1 year ago
TheOregonian
Why can't voting be mandatory, but have none of the above be an option.
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