The Instigator
gack1224
Pro (for)
Winning
19 Points
The Contender
erica11
Con (against)
Losing
3 Points

Voting on whether a PRO or CON forfeits is a poor RFD.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/16/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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gack1224

Pro

Quite a few debates end in forfeiture. However, that DOES NOT mean that the side that forfeited did not put forward important and convincing arguments. Simply, if side A was clearly winning and was unable to post within the alloted time, they should not automatically lose the debate.

People have good reasons for not responding within the allotted time. It is often difficult for a person to devote time every day to debating online when other important events arise (personal events, vacations, etc.). In addition, people are justified in putting real-life events over a simplistic and normative debate.

Secondly, when it is obvious that side A is winning the debate but forfeits for lack of time, that does not mean that they lost purposefully or without contention.

Lastly, it is better to vote on convincing arguments and weighing them individually than take the easy way out and vote against a forfeited side. Forfeiture does not necessarily means loss in the case of online debate because it is often chosen unwillingly. I do not favor voting for a forfeited side when they are losing, but when they are clearly winning.

I am not advocating that you would be unable to vote on forfeiture, but that it would short-sighted and often wrong to do so.
erica11

Con

your right but if they wanted to debate something they need to make sure they dont have nuthing else to do to get the desracted.
Debate Round No. 1
gack1224

Pro

In response to what you said:
Thank you for agreeing with me but I disagree with people having to be distracted by everything. If something comes up, they have the right to make their personal life a priority.

In response to what I think you mean:
1. People are often distracted either by major and minor personal events that are both unpredictable and time-consuming. For example, if a relative dies the day the debater is supposed to submit an argument, they have the right and justification to prioritize a funeral or family gathering over an online debate. Essentially, it is valuing real-world situations and consequences rather than debating someone you don't know about a topic that you may be passionate about but will have no further consequence of (nothing happens if you win or lose in the real world).
2. Extend my argument about how if side A is winning, but forfeits for a reason similar in nature to the example above, that they should still win the round because they presented clearer arguments. Essentially, if you are convinced by one side or another, and the debate abruptly ends, you are required to make a decision but you should not weigh or consider that the last person scheduled to argue failed to.

Once again, if a person forfeits and they have lost both the round and their confidence in making a rebuttal, they should lose. I am arguing that just because a person is unable to respond within the time limit, they should still have the possibility of winning the round. Voting on whether a side forfeits is a poor RFD.
erica11

Con

erica11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
gack1224

Pro

This series of events further proves my point. Even though you forfeited (for lack of time/personal events) you did so without presenting actual or reasonable arguments. Furthermore, you debated without as much effort or eloquence in your first speech and therefore should not win this debate. However, if you had presented serious arguments against me in the first round of your rebuttal and I failed to reasonably answer your arguments as judged by any observers, you would still have a/an chance/opportunity to win this debate. You have most ideally complied with the exception I provided (inadequately debated by forfeited side) and proved that some people have better things to do.
erica11

Con

erica11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gack1224 9 years ago
gack1224
What I'm saying is that if a side forfeits yet they had debated well in all previous rounds and their opponent continued to fail to respond to some of their arguments, they should still have a chance of winning. I'm saying you shouldn't vote solely on a side forfeiting but also take into consideration how they debated in previous rounds. (In this case, you vote for me because my opponent failed to present reasonable arguments clearly.)
Posted by Lacan 9 years ago
Lacan
RFD: opponent Forfeits....
Posted by revleader5 9 years ago
revleader5
Ironic how the person arguing that people who forfeit a round should lose forfeited 2 rounds.
Posted by gack1224 9 years ago
gack1224
Reason for decision. Why you voted one way or another.
Posted by Harlan 9 years ago
Harlan
what does "rfd" mean?

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