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Benshapiro
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The_Scapegoat_bleats
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Waffles are better than pancakes

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/16/2014 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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Benshapiro

Pro

First round is for acceptance.

I am arguing that what constitutes as better must have superior reasoning as to why waffles or pancakes are better than the other.

The_Scapegoat_bleats

Con

I accept. Please, state your case.
Burden of proof is, logically, on you, since you made a positive statement.
I will be arguing that waffles are not better than pancakes.
Debate Round No. 1
Benshapiro

Pro

1. Portion control

Waffles are always the same portion whereas pancakes are not. This is helpful for anyone counting calories and watching portion size.

2. Geometric shape

The gridded and pocketed shape of a waffle allows syrup and butter to be absorbed and kept within the pockets of the waffle. Pancakes have a smooth surface where syrup naturally flows down. If you had other food on your plate (like eggs) this can ruin the flavor by having it get syrupy.

3. Effort

It requires less effort to make a waffle. For eggos, just take the waffle out of the toaster and pop it down. For pancakes you need to be scraping the pan with a spatula and flipping the pancake to make sure both sides are cooked.

4. Consistency

Waffles can be timed by a toaster and pop out toasted the same way everytime. Pancakes have different consistency each time you cook them. If you don't cook a pancake well enough there could be chunky batter when you take a bite... Yuck.

5. Time

Waffles take less time to cook than pancakes do. Waffles take about 3 minutes to cook in a toaster and pancakes take about 10 minutes to cook in the pan.
The_Scapegoat_bleats

Con

I argue that pancakes and waffles are largely each others equal, but pancakes might be slightly better.

From Merriam-Webster's dictionary:
pan·cake: a thin, flat, round cake that is made by cooking batter on both sides in a frying pan or on a hot surface (called a griddle)


1. Nutritional value:
The batter or dough for waffles and pancakes is almost exactly the same. Waffle batter tends to contain a little more fat. http://www.thefreshloaf.com...

"It's true that waffles call for more fat than pancake batter, but the reason is not to make it stick less to the iron."

We know that there are fats with ill effects on health, so keeping the amount of fat down has health benefits. From a purely nutritional point of view, both waffles and pancakes are tied, with a slight benefit to pancakes for containing less fat.

2. Availability:
Pancakes can be made anywhere, as long as there is a heat source and a flat object. Every household should contain a pan or griddle and an oven.
In order to make waffles, you need a waffle toaster / waffle iron. This needs to be bought, sometimes repaired and replaced, which produces additional costs in material and electricity. Electricity is something we should use sparingly, to conserve resources.

Whenever you wake up with an appetite for pancakes, no matter where you are, you will be likely to get pancakes, even on a trekking hike. You basically only need the flour and some water: http://nobreadisanisland.blogspot.co.uk...
Waffles? Not so. Waffle dough will not work without eggs. Which means you can still have pancakes when you've run out of ingredients for waffles. Surely, this makes pancakes superior.

So, pancakes clearly win when it comes to availability, access and cost.

3. Variability
Pancakes come in countless varieties, far more than waffles.
Throughout the world, pancakes made of different dough and batter are eaten under different names: chapatti, tortillas, crepes - you name it. For inspiration: http://en.wikipedia.org...
They can be made with any flour, resulting in different tastes for every occasion.
They can be rolled up to contain even more syrup and whole fruit: http://www.myrecipes.com...
In Northern India and Africa, pancakes are used as edible spoons. See http://2.bp.blogspot.com... from http://globalbhasin.blogspot.de... .

So, when you're done, all you have to do is clean a few plates and the pan. If you make waffles, it's always a real problem to clean the toaster. Especially older models where you can't remove the irons, because you can't just drop it all in the water: the stuff has electrical parts that might suffer from the moisture.

Tortillas are pancakes by definition. They can be used as wraps, containing lots of delicious stuffings, whereas waffles are quite limited in their capacity to hold a larger amount of food. Who cares about a few drops of syrup? I'm talking about a whole sliced chicken breast, tomato and lettuce.
Waffles are too thick to be rolled up. They fall apart at the thin seams when you try to roll them.

So, this is clearly a win for pancakes.

4. Historic value
Pancakes are one of the oldest forms of nutrition of mankind. "
Pancakes are ancient food. The word pancakes appears in print as early as 1430. Pancakes may have been around since Neolithic humans domesticated einkorn wheat, ground it into flour mixed with bird’s egg and goat’s milk and poured the batter on a heated rock.

It happened before there were pans and long before ovens. The ancient cooks dropped a little gruel on a hot rock of campfire, resulting in thin cakes that were tastier than plain gruel or cakes cooked directly in the embers of the fire.

Perhaps because of this ancient lineage, pancakes are associated with rituals in many countries – Shrove Tuesday, Candlemas, and Chanukah to name a few." http://www.world-foodhistory.com...
http://www.foodtimeline.org...

Baking pancakes makes us one with our ancestors, connects us to our roots, just as eating them together does.
Thus, pancakes are associated with several celebrations. In the UK, pancakes have their own "Pancake day" - Shrove Tuesday.

Waffles are not nearly as old: http://www.thenibble.com...
http://www.foodtimeline.org...
These sites clearly list ancient Greece as origin of the waffle baked from both sides simultaneously. So, the waffle is much younger, making it of less historic impact.

It is now evident that there is "superior reasoning" that pancakes are better on multiple levels, as demanded by my opponent.

In order for each of us to have the same amount of rounds, I will reserve my rebuttal for the next round. It seems only fair.


Debate Round No. 2
Benshapiro

Pro

Benshapiro forfeited this round.
The_Scapegoat_bleats

Con

My opponent has not refuted my arguments.
As promised, I present my rebuttal in this round.

1. Portion control:
When making pancakes, we have a much better control over portion size. The waffle toaster needs the same amount of batter every time. Too much and it will overflow, leaving a mess. Too little and the waffle will not have its full shape, it will be ugly and have wholes through which the syrup will drip.
Pancakes DO vary in size. If you are on a diet, you just make smaller pancakes, like the delicious "silver dollar pancakes". Pancakes clearly offer more control, BECAUSE they vary - as my opponent admits.

2. Geometric shape
The absorption of butter on waffles is terrible as compared to pancakes. Butter needs to warm up to be spread. The pockets on a waffle make it almost impossible t fill them with butter, because there's less resistance and surface, keeping the butter hard, which means the butter will not spread evenly. This is a common problem; "pancakes are better because it's easier to spread butter than on waffles. With waffles, a big hunk of butter gets stuck in one of the holes and makes for an uneven buttering." says a user on https://answers.yahoo.com... .

Nothing flows down from pancakes, of course, if you roll them, as shown above.

3. Effort
When you make pancakes, there's always less of a mess. Take only a tablespoon too much of batter, and the batter will flow over and make a mess of your waffle toaster and the table, leaving you with bits of batter to clean up later. So, the time you save in baking the waffle, you lose again with cleaning.
Pancake batter is made in a bowl and poured in the pan. If you use too much batter, you get a thicker pancake, but nothing will overflow. A pan is easily cleaned. After a bit of practice, you can flip the pancake without even touching it, just throwing it in the air. So, there's hardly any cleaning to do. And you look cool if you can flip pancakes. Filling a waffle toaster will never make you look cool.

4. Consistency
This makes no sense. If you ill batter in the waffle iron, you can not even see what's happening. If you check too early, your waffle will stick to the top and be torn apart, leaving a huge mess. With pancakes, you always see what's happening. A pancake in most of its varieties is a few millimeters thin. There can be no chunky batter, you can actually SEE with your own eyes when it's done.

5. Time
My opponent provides an "appeal to extremes"-fallacy. British pancakes, for example, are baked for 80 seconds in total.

"Cook the pancake for approximately 30-40 seconds. Use a palette knife to lift the pancake carefully to look at the underside to check it is golden-brown before turning over. Cook the other side for approx 30-40 seconds and transfer to a serving plate."
http://www.bbc.co.uk...

So, in conclusion, my opponent is largely wrong because he ignores the huge variety of pancakes, condemning the entire, huge palette because of apparently one specific recipe he's come to know at home: one with thick, soggy dough that needs long cooking.

But we may not judge all pancakes for but one example.

Their incredible range and heritage makes pancakes at least slightly superior to waffles. Waffles are not better than pancakes.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kingcloud999 2 years ago
kingcloud999
Waffles ARE better than pancakes
Posted by danny123 2 years ago
danny123
scape goat OK. you will never will get me on a debate. i am better than you.
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Mhykiel
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Reasons for voting decision: Con made some good arguments that were not refuted. I especially like the one on availability. Convinced me pancakes are better than waffles.