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WarGod2
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CosmoJarvis
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War Debate: United States of America (Pro) versus The People's Republic of China (Con)

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Started: 3/28/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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WarGod2

Pro

This is a war debate. A debate in which two users simulate a scenario for what will happen if the two nations go to war. One side invades and the other defends. The United States of America, or me, will be invading.

I will be debating Cosmojarvis, he was assume the role of the People's Republic of China. Thank you to him for accepting and considering, and thanks to the others who took interest.

1. When you accept the debate, state your country, and state the numbers of your armed forces. Use this source ONLY: http://www.globalfirepower.com...;

2. Each country's turn can range from about 10 days to 100 days long, so all actions must be in accordance with this time period.

3. You may produce more military forces (soldiers, ships, aircraft, tanks/humvees/cavalry), but it depends on your military budget, your country's population, and how industrialized your nation is.

4. Morale is a key factor.

5. I will be invading.

6. The invader makes the first move, so when you accept just state your forces and background info.

7. The defender's primary objective is to prevent the attacker from taking most if not all strategic points in their country. (ex: capital city and 3 to 5 major cities, etc.) Ultimately the voters decide if the defender's country was successfully defended. The attacker's objective is to take major strategic points in the country and ultimately conquer or capitulate the enemy country. All in all, the voter's will decide if the attacker successfully would have capitulated or destroyed the defending country.

8. If a nation's capital is destroyed/liberated, this does not necessarily mean that the war is won; the capital could be recaptured. If one of the debaters destroys or controls the administration of the opposing country by the end of the debate (capital and 3 to 5 major cities/points), the attacker claims victory.

9. Every aspect of the war must be realistic and must remain within the parameters established by the rules and the title. Any unrealistic action and actions deviating from the rules can be reviewed by the audience. If audience decides it is unrealistic, can be void.

10. Weapons of mass destruction are NOT allowed. A WMD is:

-Radiological weapon, anything that can spread radiation.


-Nuclear or Thermonuclear weapon: explosive device involving nuclear devastation or incredible destruction


-Chemical weapon: a device that inflicts chemicals designed to harm or kill humans/animals


-Biological weapon: the use of biological toxins or infectious organisms.

11. No allies. (NATO, EU, CSTO, ASEAN, Arab League, etc.)

You CAN have military or diplomatic agreements and/or treaties with other nations. (Trade agreements, military access, however must be realistic)

Religion will not be a factor.

May not increase your own population, or force countries to get involved in war.

12. Cyberwarfare is allowed. Electronic warfare is limited to radar/radio jamming and interception. EMPs not permitted.


13. No flaming.

14. Citizens are not involved unless total war declared.

15. Total can be declared only as an absolute last resort. If one country declares total war the other may.

16. There must be an established reason for conflict. I may start it or you.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA MILITARY FORCES [1]:


General Info:

Total Population: 321,368,864

Available Manpower: 145,215,000

Fit for Service: 120,025,000

Active Frontline Personnel: 1,400,000

Active Reserve Personnel: 1,100,000

Land Systems:

Tanks: 8,848

AFVs: 41,062

SPGs: 1,934

Towed-Artillery: 1,299

MLRSs: 1,331

Air Power:

Total Aircraft: 13,444

Fighters/Interceptors: 2,308

Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 2,785

Transport: 5,739

Helicopters: 6,084

Attack Helicopters: 957

Naval Power:

Carriers: 19

Frigates: 6

Destroyers: 62

Corvettes: 0

Submarines: 75

Coastal Defense Craft: 13

Mine Ships: 11

Resources:

Oil Production per day: 8,653,000 bbl

Oil Consumption per day: 19,000,000 bbl

Proven Oil Reserves: 36,520,000,000 bbl

Logistical Info:

Labor Force: 155,900,000

Merchant Marine Strength: 393

Major Ports/Terminals: 24

Roadway Coverage: 6,586,610

Airports: 13,513

Financial (USD):

Defense Budget: $581,000,000,000

External Debt: $17,260,000,000,000

Reserves of Foreign Exchange + Gold: $130,100,000,000


Thank you all.

CosmoJarvis

Con

General Information [1][2][3]

Total Population: 1.357 billion
GDP: $9.24 trillion USD

Total Army Members: 2.11 million
Reserves: 3.25 million
Budget of National Defense: $147 billion

Standard Weapons:

Land

Tanks: 7,000

Artillery Pieces: 8,000

Navy

Aircraft Carriers: 1

Destroyers: 23
Frigates: 52
Corvettes: 23
Tank Landing Ships/ Amphibious Transport Docks: 30
Medium Landing Ships: 22
Diesel Attack Submarines: 57
Ballistic Missile Submarines: 4
Coastal Patrol (Missile): 86

Air Force [4]

Airmen: 398,000
Aircrafts: 4,000 (approx. 1,000 more aircrafts are expected to come this year)
Fighters: 1,170
Attackers: 885
Transporters/Trainers: 1,142
Helicopters: 856
Special Mission Aircraft: 114

Missile Forces [5]

ICBM: 75 - 100 (estimated range of 5,400-13,000+ km)

MRBM: 200-300 (estimated range of 1,500+ km)
SRBM: 1,000-1,200 (estimated range of 300-1,000 km)
GLCM: 200-300 (estimated range of 1,500+ km)

Major Allies [6]

Russia
North Korea
Pakistan

Sources:
[1] http://www.chinatoday.com...

[2] https://www.google.com...
[3] https://www.defense.gov...
[4] http://www.popsci.com...;
[5] https://www.defense.gov...
[6] https://www.google.com...
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Posted by WarGod2 1 year ago
WarGod2
@Capitalistslave, I understand, thanks for considering.
Posted by Capitalistslave 1 year ago
Capitalistslave
Hmm, China clearly has a larger frontline personnel and reserves, but America beats it in naval and air power big time. I feel air force would be much more useful than the frontline personnel/reserve advantage that China would have.

For this reason, I will not apply to this debate as I feel America would win most likely. I don't think the US would win 100% of the time in this debate, but I feel like it would be a majority of the time, so I feel I would be at a disadvantage in this case.

You can debate Cosmojarvis if you so wish.
Posted by SkySky16 1 year ago
SkySky16
The funny thing is, especially with regards to the WMD arguments, war doesn't really have any rules. You can literally do anything.
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
The USA has quite the military might, but as history has shown, it's unable to bring it against a single target. Whereas China defending their homeland, would be unlimited in their troop utilization.

Still, might be better done in the forums.
Posted by WarGod2 1 year ago
WarGod2
"I'd like to enter in this debate." @CosmoJarvis I'll consider you, thanks for applying
Posted by WarGod2 1 year ago
WarGod2
Not saying the US isn't overpowered, they kinda are. But China can compete.
Posted by WarGod2 1 year ago
WarGod2
@Sensorfire
Posted by WarGod2 1 year ago
WarGod2
"You're using the United States? That's pretty overpowered. Maybe not unwinnable (especially vs China), but pretty high difficulty level, over here." I've been the United States versus China on my other account, I won in the end but it was extremely difficult to get a good invasion going with the USA. China has a lot of manpower and reserves.
Posted by Sensorfire 1 year ago
Sensorfire
You're using the United States? That's pretty overpowered. Maybe not unwinnable (especially vs China), but pretty high difficulty level, over here.
Posted by CosmoJarvis 1 year ago
CosmoJarvis
I'd like to enter in this debate.
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