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War Game Scenario: Russia versus Chosen Nation

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Russia_The_almighty

Pro

This is a war game scenario in which was originally a challenge to WarDebator to see how good he is. Now it is open. Please, if you are the best debater or one of the best debaters, please look for a more worthy opponent. Judges(don't be biased) will be voting. I am Russia. You can not choose Russia(obviously) or America( data on America is a bit more outdated than I'd prefer). There are some strict rules that apply:

1. Use this source for military numbers only, as it is the most reliable: http://www.globalfirepower.com......;

2. Each country's turn will be about a month to three months long, so please take in consideration of how much you do in a turn, make it reasonable. (DO NOT try to win in one turn! Take into account that your we are both living, thinking beings that can adapt to a situation.)

3. Morale is a key factor in your armed forces' effectiveness.

4. You may produce more military forces (soldiers, ships, aircraft, tanks/AFVs/cavalry), but it depends on your military budget and how industrialized your nation is.

5. You may choose to attack, defend, do nothing, or surrender during your tun

6. You may choose how the war begins.

7. If a nation's capital is destroyed/liberated, this does not necessarily mean that the war is won; the capital could be recaptured.

8. ONLY ONE WMD is allowed. (Chooses WMD)

9. WMD is to be used as a last resort. It can only be used if there is an extreme threat to the nation.

10. IF a WMD is to be used, you MUST describe the effects of its' use IN DETAIL. Every aspect of the WMD's effects MUST be correct and realistic. Any unrealistic detail in the effects will cause the use of the weapon and ALL of its' effects to become void, and there will be no "restocking" of the WMD. Once you use it, you used it, whether or not the effects are void.

11. Every aspect of the war MUST be realistic. Any unrealistic detail will cause the entire action to be void. Three infractions of this rule will result in an immediate defeat.

12. At the beginning of the "war," you MUST specify what country you are, what WMD you will use (and describing the weapon using the below rules in the weapons' list), and you must show what the entirety of your armed forces is made of (soldier count, tanks, artillery, ships, aircraft, etc.). No allies or NATO, EU, etc. under ANY circumstances. However, you may choose 1 minor nation to assist you. It obviously CANNOT be in the top 10 it must be fairly weak ex.(Mongolia, Georgia, etc). Explain you minor nation's military armed forces also It is possible to provoke other nations. Ex: You being South Korea going trough North Korea to get to me.

13. Specify what your WMD is going to be. Specify ALL measurements of the WMD (yield, range, parts-per-million, etc).

14. You may choose ONE weapon from the following list of WMDs:

- Nuclear Weapon: No larger than a 30 kiloton yield(a little less than the detonation of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined) . Specify type of detonation (underground/collapse, ground/shock, air burst/dust). MUST specify location of detonation(longitude, latitude, altitude. Also name country, province/state, and city or area of detonation).

- Chemical: Maximum 15 parts-per-million. Specify chemical type. Anthrax and nerve agents are not allowed.

- Biological: Minimum parts-per-million of 15. Maximum initial infection of 1,000 people, but the infection may spread further.

15. Have fun, but be serious also.

16. No insults, cursing, or any inappropriate behavior.

17. No trolling.

18. You must state your battle plans. The opposing person acts as if he doesn't know it unless it is publicly stated, spies, etc.

19. Disobedience of ANY of these rules (besides rule 15) WILL result in an immediate "strike." If you acquire 3 "strikes," you immediately forfeit the debate. You can declare I have a strike , but that probability of that happening is unlikely. Judges may decide if the strike was falsely called.
Liberals

Con

My Chosen Country Is China. I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Russia_The_almighty

Pro

Russia's forces now: (will soon change going into the war)
Active military: 766,055
Reserve Military: 2,485,000
Tanks: 15,398
AFVs: 31,298
SPGs: 5,972
Total Aircraft: 3,429
Navy: 352 ships
Defense Budget: 60,400,000,000
Oil production a day: 10,580,000

My allied minor country will be Kazakhstan, who will fight for Russia since they used to be part of the Soviet Union and if they get land east from China.

Kazakhstan now
Active military:110,000
Active reserve: 378,000
Tanks: 300
AFVs: 1,613
SGPs: 285
Total Aircraft: 233
Navy: 15 Ships
Defense Budget: 2,435,000,000
Oil Production:1,635,000,000
FYI for my opponent I do not want to see a country much more powerful than this, this is around what I meant for fairly weak nations.

My WMD will be cyanogen chloride, an blood agent. This sounds like any other chemical weapon, but its more than that.
It can make many gas masks useless against it. It makes breathing difficult and any breathing nullified by preventing blood cells from transmitting oxygen.

February 20, Russo-Ukrainian border: The sanctions placed on Russia have hurt its economy. Pro-Russian fighters have entered a cease fire. While negotiations are happening many people in Ukraine who support Russia, but aren't fighting are leaving to Russia hurting Ukraine's population. President Vladimir Putin has proposed a solution and will carry it out if the world will remove it's sanctions placed.
1. Ukrainians wanting closer ties with Russia can come to Russia and have homes for cheap prices for 1 year,then they will get them at regular prices like any other Russian.
2. Ukrainians without a criminal record now who go to Russia can automatically get citizenship.
3. Ukrainians can join the military and hold minor government positions as any other Russians
4. Crimea will be returned to Ukraine unless the Ukrainian parliament decides otherwise.
5. Russia will pay 5 million in repairs to Ukraine.

February 23: Paris, France:
Members of NATO along with Ukraine discuss whether to accept Russia proposal. Eventually, those representing Britain say they will remove their sanctions. It is followed soon by the USA, then France, until they all agree to remove their sanctions. Ukraine then accepts this proposal from Russia. Soon Russia is informed and knows while for now this will be a bit expensive, but once the sanctions are removed they will get their economy back on track.

February 25 Hong Kong China:
Police fire at an unarmed crowd. 12 are killed and 5 are injured. 4 of the dead were visiting Russians. Russia is not pleased, but it is not enough for Russia to even tell them to give them a warning.

February 26 Tibet? China
In a secret base Hong Kong representatives, Tibet representatives, and a Russian representatives meet. Both The Tibet and
Hong Kong representatives ask Russia if they can receive their help to free them from China's "tyranny". The Russian representative says they will do it if China forces them to start war. The Tibet and Hong Kong agree that that is reasonable.

February 28 Near the Russo-Sino border
China asks Russia if they can have all of the Ergun River, a river that acts as a natural border between China and Russia. Russia states to China that they own their part of the river and China owns its own part. China ignores and places one coastal defense craft on the Russia side. Russia is furious at this.

March 1 Russo-Sino Border
Russians have not change their feeling about China doing that in fact they have become more enraged.
7:37 A Russian Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker E flies over the area the coastal defense craft occupies on Russia's side of the Ergun River and the ship opens fire. Its speed helps it dodge while taking evasive action calling for assistance.
7:41 The Sukhoi Su-35 Flankers E fires back damaging the Chinese ship by taking out part of the weapons on the coastal defense craft.
7:46 Several Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 come in. One is shot and damaged. The pilot is forced to make an emergency landing
7:48 One of the Mikoyan then kamikazes into the coastal patrol craft destroying it and killing most of its occupants.
7:50 Knowing the Chinese will send support, they retreat.
7:53 Several J-10 and J-20 fighters come in and 2 land close to where the remains of the ship is and recover 3 survivors of the original 29
8:01 The Chinese find the pilot who made an emergency landing. They demand he surrenders. The pilot the throws two grenades one at his own plane and another at the Chinese soldiers. The Chinese dodge the grenade and only one is injured while the Mikoyan explodes killing the Russian.

Many call this the battle of Ergun River or The Battle That Started it All.
Casualties: Russian
Killed:2
Injured: 0
Vehicles: 2 aircraft destroyed

Casualties: Chinese
Killed: 26
Injured: 4
vehicles:1 coastal patrol craft destroyed

March 3 Moscow Russia
Russian president Vladimir Putin receives an angry phone call from Chinese president Xi Jinping saying that China will declare war on them unless they pay for the damages. Vladimir Putin says they lost lives and two aircrafts and ask for them to drop the damages cost. Xi Jinping refuses threatening they will bring war.

March 4 Amsterdam The Netherlands
Trying to end this rising war NATO asks China and Russia to at least chat about this war in Amsterdam. Russia accepts waiting for China's response.

March 5 Near the border of Kazakhstan
Kazakhstan military believes that they need to enforce the border between it and China. They place a coastal patrol craft on lake Zaysan ,which close to border ,in case this war spills over to Kazakhstan.

sources: http://www.combataircraft.com...
Your turn China.
FYI China likely would do something like this to flex its muscles as it done by claiming islands that are claimed by Japan and Taiwan,and the same thing with Vietnam and The Philippines. That part is realistic.
Liberals

Con

My allied minor country will be Mongolia.

March 20, China spends $1,000,000 of its defense budget on a failed assassination of Vladamir Putin, Vladamir Putin is shot in the shoulder and is injured in the hospital.

March 21, Acting President Yuiry Melanchov launches an attack on a Chinese border town.

The town is largely unprepared.

Casualties: Chinese
Tanks: 2
Military: 5
Civilians: 500

Casualties: Russian
Military: 2

March 22-March 30: China is furious and is fearful of more attacks, so the Chinese Air Force launches surgical strikes on Russian shipping convoys and rural infrastructure near the Chinese Russian border, cutting off some major highways connecting major cities to south-eastern Siberia.

Russian Casulaties:
Military Personel- 50
Civilians- 2,000
Military Tanks- 50
Fighter Jets- 5

Chinese Casulaties:
Fighter Jets- 5
10 Pilots Taken Prisoner

April 1: China Occupies The Russian City of Krasnofotsiky rayon.
With
10 Fighter Jets
50 Tanks
50,000 soldiers

Russian Casualties:
1,000 soldiers
1 tank

Chinese Casualties:
2,500 soldiers
2 Tanks

The Occupation Is Succesful.
Debate Round No. 2
Russia_The_almighty

Pro

Really I'm sorry, but I have to ask you.
1.How did you get Mongolia on your side? Kazakhstan obviously wanted to join Russia as I said because they used to be part of Russia and they would get lands from China. I am calling a half strike in which judges will take into consideration who won. State a reason on why it wants to join or it will be a full strike I will call for disobedience of rule 12.
2.You have not stated your countries military forces. I want to see it clearly for easier comparison for both sides. I clearly stated mine so why didn't you state yours?
3.Why haven't you stated your WMD? You have not said it was biological, nuclear, or chemical. If you do not state a WMD in the next round or in the comments along with your countries military forces, YOU get none.
4. You didn't accept the peace chat from NATO to at least talk about this war.
I will not be so generous and give you a second chance, to get a half strike instead of a full strike next time.

April 2 The Netherlands, Amsterdam
Yuiry Melanchov attends the peace chat with extra security. No Chinese representative arrives. So NATO just talks with Melanchov curious why China denied the request to chat. He tells NATO Russian intelligence believes China attempted the assassination of Vladimir Putin. NATO tells Russia they will see if the failed assassination suspect has fled to Europe. A Several Russians including a personal guard for Putin who all claims they saw they culprit flee gives them the details. The UK's best sketch artist make a sketch of what he looks like they all agree that is very close to what he looked like. They say unless China does an inhumane act such as mass murder of civilians, or kills surrendered soldiers they will not place sanctions.

April 5 Tokyo Japan
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe states that for occupying parts of Russia, one of it's trading partners they will place economic sanctions on China. As for the goods that they usually get from China they are starting to trade more with the US and other places.

April 6 Moscow Russia
After Putin is able to talk he tells Melanchov to make several armies in Russia to stop the Chinese. Melanchov says he will. Doctors say Putin will be able to get back to his duties as president in 3 weeks at most. Security at the hospital could hardly be greater. They have several armed guards on each floor along with regular hospital security. There are several s-300s outside in case of aircraft attacks. 30 tanks outside. several Russian aircraft to attack Chinese attacks, 30 tanks and 5 transport helicopters if Putin needs to flee.

April 7 Moscow Russia
Melanchov calls for a massive amount of people to join, many do including previous Ukrainians. Melanchov makes many armies in Russia, the largest is The New Red army. It is composed of over 250,000 soldiers hundreds of aircraft such as Mikoyan MiG-31 and Sukhoi Su-27 and over 500 tanks. Their superiority to the Chinese J-10s will make air battle easier. With approval from Vladimir Putin he raise the country's military budget to 10 billion without telling the public. With this extra money they start mass production of Mikoyan MiGs-31, Sukhoi Su-27 . along with T-90 Tagil tanks which is superior to the Chinese Type 99G tanks. They also start adding to the navy to place in the Sea of Okhotsk. The mine ships there starting placing mines.

April 9 Ural Mountains
Russia tests out a reinvented 1K17 Szhatie laser tank. This is similar to the original except it is meant to rapidly heat up an object until destroyed, which is not long.

April 14 The Russian City of Krasnofotsiky rayon.
11:23 The New Red Army goes on a surprising offensive and attacks the Chinese force stationed there. The Chinese who initially notice are surprised, believing they would attack tomorrow before dawn or in a few days.
11:27 The New Red Army has killed many Chinese military. The Chinese have just fully noticed what is happening and are getting into position.
11:34 The Russia commander tells the aircraft to attack and bomb the position the Chinese are stationed at. With the few aircrafts and tanks the Chinese have they do massive damage with little losses.
11:47 Knowing the tactical situation is unattainable the Chinese commander orders a retreat.
11:53 Seeing the Chinese are retreating they send the planes to attack them once then to come back in case of counter attack.
April 15 The Russian City of Krasnofotsiky rayon.
12:04 The New Red Army see they are victorious, the surviving Russian in the town cheer.
12:13 After analyzing the casualties many men in the city ask to join the army. The remains of the city including the soldiers help rebuild it.
12:25 The soldiers get supplies from the locals and some fall asleep while 50,000 soldiers take first watch.

This is named The battle of Krasnofotsiky rayon or The First Large battle
Casualties Chinese:
killed: 20,550
wounded:14,350
Tanks: 48
aircraft: 10
captured: 300

Russian casualties
dead:1700
wounded:990
civilians dead:800
Tanks:3
Aircraft: 4
captured:100
people who wished to join from the city:1,000

April 16
After one day of being supplied by the locals, The New Red Army decide to attack the Chinese forces. They decide to leave the city with a garrison of 100,000 soldiers. The soldiers there are training any other Russian who wishes to join.
8:09 am: A Russian reconnaissance aircraft shows they are in full retreat.
8:24 am: It is reported the Chinese are almost at the border so they can regroup.,they know the Ergun River will present a challenge so they get in range for artillery to fire and do some kind of damage, They notice they have Some of they Chinese air force with them possibly the ones who bombed the highways they send the aircraft to attack.
8:32 The two air forces meet in a series of dogfights the Chinese mostly have J-10s' and J-20's. Luckily for the Russian their air force is superior in technology.
8:37 While the aircrafts are fighting each other, the Chinese make their way across the river onto their side of it.
8:43 Several Sukhoi Su-27 have been destroyed, while many J-10s and J-20s have been destroyed.
8:51 The Chinese airforce orders a retreat back to China. The Russian airforce at first pursues them.
8:52 The Russians end pursuit as the Chinese have retreated back to their territory.
9:02 The Russians begin placing hundreds of mines to stop any Chinese ground troops from returning.
12:57 pm One of the largest minefields in the world Is in between China and Russia. The mines can be shut off only by remote control from a Russian far from the action. The Russian have made it almost impossible to hack with help from American defectors.
This is called the Air Battle of The Ergun River.
Chinese casualties:
Killed: 15
aircraft losses:15

Russian casualties
killed: 8
aircraft losses 8

April 20 Tibet? China
In a new even more secure and secret base in Tibet,a Russian representative, Tibet representatives and a Hong Kong representative meet up. Russia says that if China commits one more hostile act they will arm them. They both are pleased.

April 23 Moscow Russia
With Russia's increased military budget, many jobs are created making Russia economy doing good. With a good economy and the recent victories morale in Russia is high.

April 24 Kazakhstan
Kazakhstan sees the war unfold for now they state they will be neutral for now. The have increased their military budget slightly to $2,500,000,000 in case war comes their way

April 27 Russian Part of Ergun River
The New Red Army is supplied with extra food, clothes, aircraft, tanks, weapons, oil, a few S-300s and reinforcements of 50,000 soldiers to lead their next attack. Their defensive position is extremely hard to break and the formation is made to hold out against possible invasion from Mongolia and an advance from China.

http://www.military-today.com...
http://atlas.media.mit.edu...
http://www.military-today.com...

Your turn China.
FYI I will not attack until my next turn for now my troops are on defense.
Liberals

Con

Liberals forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Russia_The_almighty

Pro

I ask the judges not to penalize my opponent for forfeiting. Unfortunately for my opponent I am sticking to what I said before and will not do decide to not carry it out just because of a forfeit since that still counts as a round. I am sorry, but
1. A full strike is called for not saying why Mongolia wanted to join.
2. I am happy you stated China's military forces in your photo album. I am not happy that you didn't state Mongolia's.
3. You don't get a WMD to use which will not be good for the rest of the war.
4. This forfeited is the same as doing absolutely nothing.

LET THE WAR RESUME!!!!!!

April 30 Ergun River Border between China and Russia
One of the largest minefields in the world is in between China and Russia at the Ergun River. Seeing that they no longer need such a large garrison at Krasnofotsiky rayon they withdraw 90,000 of the soldiers there. They civilians have given an extra 1000 soldiers on top of the original soldiers who joined. The remaining soldiers there are soon supplied by Russian support planes dropping supplies and food for the good they have done for the army. The city is in the middle of repairing the worst of the damage.
May 1
The New Red Army which has been increased with reinforcements of now 320,000 is planning to break up while invading China into 4 armies for now and to all meet at Harbin China.
The plan is like this:
The main army is still known as The New Red Army. They have the hardest task and will invade from west to take Hulun Buir, then move on to take Qiqihar, get to Daqing to get reinforcements and end up at Harbin.
The next army is the the Blagoveshchensk army who will invade from the North from Blagoveshchensk to take Suihua and for part of the army to meet up at Daqing. Then like the rest will meet up Harbin.
The Next is the The Songhua River army. They will invade following mostly the Songhua river taking Jiamusi and then to meet at Harbin.
The final army is the The Ukrainian army made up of many people who joined the Russian army after leaving Ukraine. They will capture Mudanjiang and as with all the others will meet at Harbin.

May 2 Moscow
Vladimir Putin gets out of the hospital and is impressed by Melanchovs progress. He takes charge and announces that he will get revenge at the Chinese for attempting to assassinate him.

May 3 Ergun River border of China
All armies are ready to attack. They know if they can take Harbin the cut of major highways in China while cutting of parts of China off from the rest. Each army has plenty of supplies and gas masks in case of smog in the cities. They all have at least a few hundred tanks, AFVs, tanks and aircraft. There are several S-300s to shoot down aircraft. The Songhua River army has 2 coastal patrol crafts to help them since they are on a river.

May 4 China
They give the citizens in the area to evacuate in the area soon to be conquered in 12 hours. Many begin to leave, many stay believing they won't try it. The Chinese military comes with many soldiers, tanks, and aircraft.

May 5 China
12:04 am All mines are deactivated. The four Russian armies then attack. China is surprised at the magnitude of so many armies, but trying not to make the mistake of Krasnofotsiky rayon so they are somewhat prepared. They evacuate a few people who didn't evacuate.
12:10 The New Red Army begins firing the artillery at Hulun Biir where the enemy formations appears to be. They fire back causing casualties, but not as many.
12:25 The Chinese nor the Russians are deterred by the artillery fire and the New Red Army continues to advance.
12:30 The Chinese are offering severe resistance while the Russians are offering major attacks. Seeing soon they will not be able to bomb the enemy without receiving casualties themselves the commander sends in the aircraft and many drones that are fast for drones. The drones with a bomb attached to them will be meant to fly at full speed at the enemy to cause the bomb to explode which is designed to detonate on impact.
12:34 The Russian aircraft attack the Chinese, seeing there are several S-300s with China the Russians send the drones to collide with the s-300s to destroy them.
12:39 At first the Chinese-300 attack the Russian aircraft ,but soon the drones collide with the weapon systems soon making them inoperable. To prevent the s-300s from possibly being fixed or taking them out of battle to be repaired later several Sukhoi Su-35 Flankers E begin to bomb their locations, they don't bomb several of them close to their lines knowing they can fix it and use it for their own purposes. They also bomb along with Chinese defense lines.
12:48 Seeing the s-300s are down the commander soon orders an evacuation with a diversion of a few thousand soldiers located in the best position.
12:57 The diversion is barely holding of The New Red Army while the main army retreats. Hoping to maybe regroup.
1:06 What is left of the diversion has surrendered. The Russians soon rally up the Chinese survivors, both civilians and soldiers. Feeling bad for them they reach the hospital in the city which has suffered some damage. Both the Russians and Chinese agree it is safe. They send the aircraft to attack the retreating forces and to come back.
1:08 Just in case they send in bomb dogs to test for any possibly mines and search and rescue dogs to find any survivors. They don't want the UN to think they have done wrong in attacking China which is a reason why they gave the warning.
1:10 Some say they wish to join the Russian army. Taking no chances they bring several transport helicopters to take them in for consideration along with several armed Russians to assure they don't try anything that could hurt them.
1:15 The soldiers make it more suitable for helping them. Some Chinese citizens believe this is better than anything China could do for them. The soldiers get ready to advance.

Onto the Blagoveshchensk army.
4:38 am The artillery begins firing at the Chinese position in Suihua. They Chinese position is similar to how it was in Hulun Biir. The Russians have the same difficulty of taking out the s-300s.
4:47 Unfortunately, they only were able to take several s-300s before had no drones left. They then send in several Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 come in. Their speed allows several of them to be ably to either destroy or kamikaze the remaining s-300s.
4:53 The Russian air force has defeated most of Chinese air force stationed there. This allows the bomber planes to move in and finish the Chinese there.
5:01 The Chinese try to retreat, but soon realize they are trapped. They try to call for backup, but communications aren't working
5:04 Seeing they soon will be destroyed they surrender. The Russians accept the surrender of the army. They bring them in to be imprisoned for now.
They get ready to regroup with The New Red Army and soon do so.
10:45 pm They combine and decide as planned to attack Daqing. They were happy to know that there were no soldiers defending Quiqihar. All that was done there was to get the city was to get the people who stayed to surrender. They destroyed all the major roads there to prevent any soldiers from possibly retreating.They see this city is mostly evacuated. They wonder why,but they realize they are retreating to Harbin to hold out as a last stand.
I will make this part quick: The Songhua River army soon capture Jiamusi they shelled the city with 2 coastal patrol crafts along with artillery and warplanes.The Ukrainian Army attack Mudanjiang. Some parts of the battle, it looked like the Chinese forces would win, but Ukrainians succeed in making them retreat.
Now the real battle:
May 18 The New Red Army has reformed. Even though suffering heavy casualties they still have plenty of soldiers to attack the Chinese army at Harbin. The Russians know if they can capture this city, the will not only have won a major victory, the entire Heilo Jiang province will be under Russian control, along with some of the inner Mongolia province (Inner Mongolia is a Chinese province), and will have access to major highways.
8:57 A Russian reconnaissance plane has found out the city is heavily guarded.
9:05 The Russian artillery fires and drones are sent in to soften the enemy up. A few s-300s are destroyed,but many remain. The Russian artillery fires continuously while the two coastal patrol craft shell the city. To add to the mix, the Russians send in many Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 along with Sukhoi Su-27 to attack their position. The Mikoyan's job is to kamikaze into s-300 or fire at them. The Sukhoi Su-27s then deal with the J10s and J-20s.
9:28 After intense fighting over the air, the Chinese win with sheer numbers. However, all of the s-300s are destroyed.
9:34 The coastal patrol crafts are destroyed, but they were able to take out several Type 99 tanks.
9:38 The Russian artillery and Chinese artillery continue to fire, the commander calls for reinforcements of Sukhoi Su-27 to take out the remaining Chinese J-10s and J-20s.
10:38 Many Russian warplanes come in and finally beat the J-10s and j-20s. The city is then bombed.
10:57 Without aircraft the Chinese are barely holding out.
11:11 The Chinese get their tanks to charge as a last resort.
11:20 The tanks are all destroyed with doing significant harm.
11:32 Seeing no other option the survivors surrender.
11:59 The Russian have full control over the city.
May 19
The Russian are supplied with reinforcement bringing their numbers up to 400,000 with extra aircraft, tanks and s-300s and other supplies. They begin building yet another mine on what is called the Heilo Jiang minefield. A defensive position is made waiting for the next mission.
All of this is known as The Battle for Heilo Jiang.
Chinese losses excluding civilians
killed: 300,000
wounded: 200,000
captured: 100,000
aircraft: 750
Tanks:1000

Russian
killed 240,000
wounded:160,000
aircraft: 675
Tanks: 625

The War Map:
https://docs.google.com...
Liberals

Con

Liberals forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Russia_The_almighty

Pro

OK obviously my opponent is doing bad since twice he has forfeited. Since I am doing a part 2 and likely a few more parts, I will do little this round so the competitor for the next time doesn't end up with half of China conquered. I expect my opponent to do the same as I and do very little if he doesn't decide to forfeit the last round.
May 30 The New Red Army has made a minefield cutting off the Heilo Jiang province from the rest of China plenty of s-300s, aircraft, tanks, artillery, etc. are guarding it with a massive minefield in front of it all. The mines can be shut off and be detonated when decided or to be detonated when going over.
June 3 Tibet
The citizens of Tibet are given weapons to fight China. A very large amount of its population is willing to fight. They are given aircraft and artillery hidden very secretly.
June 5 Hong Kong
Soon many citizens of Hong Kong are given weapons and are planning to rebel at first by raiding the police stations for their arsenals of weapons and to get them out of Hong Kong. They are given gas masks in case police try tear gas against them
June 6 Kazakhstan
Russia convinces Kazakhstan to no longer remain neutral and to fight if they get spoils from winning. They say they will commence soon.
June 10
The Scandinavian countries, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark are now deciding who's sides they should take in this rising conflict.
What will happen next with Scandinavia?
The next war debate will decide.
Final words and minor things for the last round Liberals FYI.
Liberals

Con

Liberals forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
18 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 1 year ago
Russia_The_almighty
Okay I am planning on doing a war debate with intervention from the middle east. Judges, do not penalize Liberals for the first forfeiture, besides that, take into account the strike, the battles, the other forfeitures and anything else, remember don't be biased.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 1 year ago
Russia_The_almighty
You could have just wrote it like I did, but OK.
Posted by Liberals 1 year ago
Liberals
My military forces are in a photo album on my profile because it won't let me copy and paste them.
Posted by Liberals 1 year ago
Liberals
Okay.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 1 year ago
Russia_The_almighty
Liberals, please, I wanted too wrap this debate up by Wednesday, but that isn't going to happen apparently since it takes so long for an argument to be posted on your side. I would like this done by Thursday and at the latest I would want this done by Friday. I don't want this war itself to be over, I just want this debate to be done so I can go to part 2 of it.
Posted by The-Voice-of-Truth 1 year ago
The-Voice-of-Truth
I am currently doing another one as well.
Posted by The-Voice-of-Truth 1 year ago
The-Voice-of-Truth
@Liberals, in my war debate (I sure seem to have started a trend, haven't I?), I was Russia, and I was against Saudi Arabia. My opponent dis-obeyed the rules, but the voters were blind to it. I would have won, too.
Posted by Liberals 1 year ago
Liberals
I see.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 1 year ago
Russia_The_almighty
Some people might choose Saudi Arabia because really you can't invade the birthplace of Mohamed and 2nd highest oil producing nation without a reason, but i could come up with a realistic reason.
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Vote Placed by phantom 1 year ago
phantom
Russia_The_almightyLiberals
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Reasons for voting decision: Triple ff.
Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 1 year ago
Blade-of-Truth
Russia_The_almightyLiberals
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Reasons for voting decision: This was great, but unfortunately Con decided to forfeit Round 3, 4, and 5. This gave Pro literally 2 additional rounds to carry out further combat and strategic actions which would have given him an unprecedented upper-hand were this to be a real war-game. This is a clear win for Pro.
Vote Placed by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
Russia_The_almightyLiberals
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Reasons for voting decision: The war was off to an interesting start, until China got swallowed by their own doomsday weapon (making fun of the FF).
Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 year ago
dsjpk5
Russia_The_almightyLiberals
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit.