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This is a war debate that you probably did not see coming. Croatia vs. Serbia. I only made this since I found out Serbia has a navy despite being landlocked. It is impossible to accept this debate. If you want to accept, please send me a PM. If you somehow find a way to accept this debate, you will automatically forfeit the complete 7 points. You tell me why I should choose you to be my opponent; give me a very good reason as to why you want to do this debate and why you would be a worthy opponent. I am Serbia. Comment if you are interested. If you want to debate, message me.

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Alright, I guess i'll start this war off with my numbers.
I will be defending.

Man Power
Total Population: 4,470,534
Available Manpower: 2,033,589
Reaching Military Age Annually: 55,349
Active Front Line Personal: 21,300
Active Reserve Personal: 102,700

Land Systems
AFVs: 574
SPGs: 21
Towed Artillery: 70
MLRSs: 92

Air Power
Total Aircraft: 68
Fighter/Interceptors: 7
Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 7
Transport Aircraft: 35
Trainer Aircraft: 25
Helicopters: 20
Attack Helicopters: 0

Naval Power
Total Naval Strength: 28
Coastal Defense Craft: 4
Mine Warfare: 1

Production: 11,000 bbl/day
Consumption: 75,000 bbl/day
Proven Reserves: 71,000,000 bbl/day

Labor Force: 1,715,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 77
Major Ports: 6
Roads: 29,343
Railways: 2,722
Air Ports: 69

Defense Budget: $958,000,000
External Debt: $60,470,000,000
Reserves: $11,460,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: 77,560,000,000

Square Land Area: 55,594 km
Coastline: 5,835 km
Shared Border: 2,237 km
Waterways: 785 km

Let the war begin!

April 27th: Border Tensions Flare up once more as Serbia and Croatia are unable to agree on a boundary

April 28th: President Tomislav Nikolić publicly demands that the borders be adjusted to Serbia's claim, or face the consequences

April 30th: Croatia refuses to comply to Serbia's demands and accuses Serbia of trying to re-establish Yugoslavia

May 3rd: Serbia orders a general mobilization

May 5th: Croatia also orders mobilization of armed forces

May 6th: Under the current arms loan deal, Croatia requests 30 fighter jets from the United States in order to deter Serbia

May 8th: After much deliberation, the United States rejects the plea, and instead offers to act as a mediator

May 10th: Croatia appeals to Hungary and Bosnia to deny military access to the Serbian military in the event of war. Hungary strong economic partner of Croatia agrees, Bosnia, still bitter about the Bosnian war, also agrees to refuse military access to Serbia.

May 12th: Croatia calls in it's entire reserve force

May 15th: Serbia delivers an ultimatum to Croatia, either adjust the border and halt mobilization, or face war

May 18th: After a tense standstill, Croatia rejects the Serbian Ultimatum. The President of Croatia, Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović, deliver the following message to her people, "During the first war of Independence we fought against a cruel enemy who actively oppressed us, and here we stand today, at a crossroads, the only paths now are to surrender to our oppressors demands, or fight for the freedom and liberty that we have enjoyed." Croatia also starts mass production of the M-95 Degman main battle tank, as well as increasing it's production of small arms in order to prepare for the imminent war. I will liquidate 1B in foreign assets to build 300 tanks.

May 19th: Serbia declares war. Montenegro declares neutrality and denies both sides military access in order to prevent becoming a war zone.

May 20th: Croatia begs for fighter aircraft from the United States, and they agree under the current military loan program. The United States will loan out for the duration of the war, 15 F-15 Eagles, and 5 F-18 Hornets in order to allow Croatia to secure their own airspace.

May 21st: Croatia starts a national draft in order to bolster it's reserve force. Serbian army is now ready to Invade.

May 22nd: Croatia proposes a treaty to Serbia, it states that during the war, terror bombing of cites shall not occur during the war. (This is up to Serbia to sign or reject).

My army is now currently:
Tanks:72+(300 to be manufactured shortly)
Active Front Line Personal: 122,700
Active Reserve Personal: 0+(10,000 soldiers drafted monthly or 120,000 a year)

My current deployment is 35,000 soldiers, 50 tanks and 200 AFVs with a mixed load-out of anti air and anti infantry/tank weapons fortified along the natural defensive border of the Danube River in order to prevent a crossing. I have 22 tanks, 80,000 soldiers and 200 AFVs with a mixed load-out of anti air and anti infantry/tank weapons fortified around the city of Vukovar. I am currently holding back the rest of my army in order to deploy as i see fit. I also currently have my air force mobilized and patrolling. My forces moral is very high, as they know they have the superior equipment, training, and infrastructure behind them, against Serbia's Soviet era army.

The rest is up to you Serbia, Good Luck!

But first, let's hear some epic war music.
Debate Round No. 1


Just to say a few things.
1. You can't buy or get loaned stuff from other nations nor be supported in any way. You cannot get a loan for even a single bullet if you did not make for the war duration.
2. You can get a licences to produce things you already own though.
3. Can you define terror bombing? Do you mean like bombing cities with planes? If yes I agree only if there is nothing beneficial to that area such as being a major railway junction or if there are no forces there.
4. Bosnia would likely want at least a million or so to make a dash of money since they would know their land is great for invasion for Serbia. They would prevent Serbia from going through with an agreement to Croatia for sure, but likely not before making a quick buck.

Total Population: 7,209,764
Available manpower: 3,490,000
Fit For Service: 2,751,841
Reaching Military Age Annually: 85,025
Active Front line Personnel: 52,00
Active Military Reserve: 170,00

Land Systems
Tanks: 225
AFVs: 575
SPGs: 72
Towed Artillery: 144
MLRS: 82

Total Aircraft: 119
Fighter/ Interceptors: 14
Fixed Wing Aircraft: 44
Transport Aircraft: 42
Trainer Aircraft: 9
Helicopters: 39
Attack Helicopters: 0

Naval Power(yes Serbia has a Navy despite being landlocked)
Total Naval Strength: 19
Coastal defense crafts: 7
Mine Warfare: 5

Production: 11,500 bbl/day
Consumption: 72,770 bbl/day
Proven oil Reserves: 77,500,000

Logistics: 1,703,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 0
Major Ports and Terminals: 0
Roadway Converge: 41,913
Railway: 3,379
Airports: 26

Defense Budget: $830,000,000
External Debt: $33,600,000,000
Reserves of Federal exchange and Gold: $15,870,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: $80,470,000,000

Square land Area: 77,474 Km
Coastline: 0
Shared Coastline: 2,322 km
Waterways: 587 km

You thought I was going to go through Bosnia and Hungary? Not to insult, but a good general usually goes the unexpected route.

May 29
The entire Serbian reserves are called. Citizens are then drafted. Serbian forces positioned close to the border are doing a good job at being a decoy. The Serbian Navy is positioned at Greece. Serbia to get more money liquidate 2 billion in foreign exchanges and gold. Serbia knows they need to stop Croatian mobilization. They begin a cyber attack to try to shut Croatian mobilization down which is part 1 of operation Tesla. If Serbian cyber warfare was that of China this would be simple. However it isn't so this may take a little bit. Serbia signs two agreements. One is to allow Serbian troops to go through Macedonia for 10 million. The other is an agreement with Greece for nearly 25 million. They will allow Serbian troops there to get on there ships to transport the Serbian army. Serbia pays another 25 million and they will attempt to help clear Russia's name to get a license from Russia to produce Mikoyan MiG-35.(this is an agreement, not an alliance). The rest of the money they got by liquidating foreign exchanges goes towards making 300 M-84AS tanks along with upgrading M-84 tanks to M-84AS. The remaining money goes towards making Mikoyan MiG-35 planes.

June 3 Much of the Serbian navy comes under the cover of night to the Croatian coastal city of Dubrovnik. You didn't say anything where you fleet was so I will assume there are no ship there. The ships fire and transport planes come in paratroop the soldiers to get to the city. The ships also get troops to unload on the city. The Serbian military and the few Croatians armed there have a one sided skirmish. Serbia wins with light casualties. Since the Croatians had few armed people armed they also received fairly light casualties. However the Serbians have captured a major port city. The rest of the strip of land separated from mainland Croatia is captured With more light casualties. The question now is, what to do with the rest of the Croatians? First all supplies possibly useful to the Serbian army, Weapons, food, oil, water, and all other things useful are seized. Some Croatians there try to fight back and are quickly defeated. A few mines are places once the strip of land is conquered.

June 4 Wasting no time they attack and easily conquer the island of Korcula. They later conquer Vis. Serbia begins what classified eyes know as the Siege of Croatia. The plan is simple. Blockade Croatia basically making them landlocked. At the occupied Islands along with the Serbian Navy, several anti-air weapons, water mines, 30 tanks, and 10 aircraft, around 10,000 soldiers occupy the land conquered. They build in defenses and there role is this, if they see Croatians fighting, attacking a Serbian soldier, or it seems like a fight will break out, they shoot without question. They make sure that no citizen escapes. They send young children with their mothers and fathers if it doesn't seem he is fit for service to Croatia. The elderly if they choose are sent away. Basically anyone who is not fit for service gets the boot unless they choose to stay, but with 10,000 soldiers occupying the cities, very few not fit for service stay. To help remove the population of these Croatians areas gangs and criminals are hunted down in the occupied areas. Anyone trying to help the criminals is shot on site.

June 15 Serbian cyber warfare teams have finally broken through cyber defenses of Croatia. With the Croatian cyber defenses broken they Serbian cyber attackers shut down factories with the cyber attack along with practically anythong that could cause Croatia to do a counter cyberattack. They cyber attack anything that could help Croatian mobilization. Croatian cities close to the Serbian-Croatian border shut down basically anything else. With this chance the Serbian army begins part 2 of Operation Telsa .Serbia even with outdated technology find a way to jam most Croatian radar towards the border while there is confusion 3 Serbian agents enter behind enemy lines disguised as Croatian soldiers, they are the best Serbia has although compared to America and Russia not that impressive. They are able to get some explosives to take some anti-aircraft at the Danube River. Serbia sees a direct assault at the Serbian positioning would be costly. They decide to go the long way. By jamming the communications and radar of the Croatian army, they are able to get the Serbian army of 150,000 soldiers, 100 tanks, 300 AFVs, 20 artillery, anti-aircraft, to get take an alternate route without having to deal with the armies positioned there. They have aircraft to come once they see enemy aircraft. Finally they are able to cut of Croatian army of by taking Vinkovci. The Serbian airforce is ready for assault. Another 50,000 Serbian soldiers with 200 more AFVs, 50 tanks, and the rest of the anti-aircraft are positioned are to the South while the other Serbian army is positioned to the west.

June 20 Serbia assaults the cities jamming what they can for Croatian radar and communications. Initially they are pushed back. However a second assault begins. The tanks begin firing at the enemy tanks or anything ant infantry or anti-vehicle. The Serbian airforce wins several dogfights against Croatian aircraft. Newly produce Mikoyan MiG 35s prove effective at this. The Serbian tanks won on ground only because of numbers and the fairly recently made, M-84AS After brutal fighting Serbia wins. Around 130,900 Serbian soldiers are killed along with 109 tanks, 410 AFVs, 2 battalions of 2K12 kub anti aircraft, 12 aircraft, and 13 mobile artillery. The Croatian army on the other hand there is completely destroyed with only a few isolated resistance along with 14 aircraft destroyed. The Serbian army sees this as a major victory.

June 25 The remaining soldiers that weren't involved in the assault come to reinforce the fleet's position or the positioning of the main Serbian army. Serbia demands a surrender from Croatia. While they wait for an obvious no, the Serbian navy begins placing a minefield to prevent the Serbian navy from making a quick advance, but not enough to greatly hinder Italy and Slovenia to still trade overseas. Some of the aircraft and tanks in Serbian factories are being completed


Okay, time to pick up the pieces, but first, I must commend Russia_The_ almighty for taking the unexpected route and invade by sea.

Now to the war plans

I will divide this by dates and by fronts of combat

The home front:

May 29th: Serbia shocks the world when they reject the treaty regarding terror bombing ( I already discussed this with Serbia)

June 25th: Croatia starts Operation Candlelight with 3 Phases, restore our military network, resume mobilization, destroy Serbia's network. (While the June 15th attack was damaging, Croatia was not without any defenses)

June 26th: Croatia rejects an unconditional surrender from Serbia.

June 27th: Croatia pays Bosnia 35 million in order to cross into their territory, and block Serbia form doing the same. Croatia also pays Albania 25 million for the guarantee that they will not allow Serbian planes to cross their territory, and this is easily agreed upon as Albania currently has poor relations with Serbia.

June 29th: As Croatia realizes that they cannot keep up with the quality of newly made Serbian fighters, Croatia pays the United States a total of 50 million in order to domestically mass produce F-15 Eagles and F-18 Hornets, both which are superior to the Serbian air force, but production must wait until the cyber warfare threat is dealt with.

July 19th: Cyber teams from Croatia successfully restore the Integrity of their network with relative ease as they have superior training and equipment compared to their Serbian counterparts. Phase I is complete

July 20th: Croatia resumes tank production, and also begins production of F 15 and F 18 fighter craft. Croatia will liquidate 6 billion in order to produce 60 F-15 fighters and 60 F-18 fighters over the course of the next 4 months, thereby boosting the Croatian Air force by 30 a month. I will also be increasing my order of tanks by an additional 200. Phase II is complete

July 22nd through July 27th: As Croatia must stem the flow of Serbian made weapons phase 3 of Operation Candlelight phase 3 takes place. The Croatians send massive cyber attacks quicker than what Serbia can handle with their aging computers. They are quickly overwhelmed. While Serbia was content in shutting down my weapons production, i intend to make them suffer. I launch massive attacks against the electrical grid. By overriding the safety protocols on Serbian power plants, I am able to force them into overdrive levels, both burning out the plants in the process, but also crippling any electronic System on the grid at the time. It will take months and millions of dollars in order to repair the damage to the grid. Until then, all manufacturing is halted, and most of Serbia is left dark and without power. While Serbia slowed my war machine, i crippled theirs. (This attack is reasonable as Serbia has made almost no update to their infrastructure in the past 30-40 years)

July 29th: Panic ensues as the Serbian economy is completely shut down and power is lost throughout the nation.

July 30th: Croatia indicates that they are willing to open negotiations to end the fighting. (This is up to you Serbia)

The Eastern Front:

June 26th: Croatia Launches operation Full House Fold. Phase 1: I will call in the 14 thousand soldiers i held back during the first turn, they were stationed at the city of Vinkovci reserves, i will now move them to the south of Vukovar in order to lay down an extensive minefield 15 miles South of the city.

June 29th: With the mine filed finished, i station my 14,000 to the south west of Vukovar for phase 2. Phase 2 begins of operation Full House Fold. I will send my entire army responsible with the defense of the Danube to siege the city of Vukovar. Morale is low in the Serbian camp, because while they won the battle, it was a Pyrrhic victory. casualties were immense and the army is tried after an exhausting battle. Immense, whereas the army I am sending down a fresh army.

June 30th: The 2nd major battle of the war occurs between the Serbian garrison and Croatian Army.

July 1st: After major fighting, the Serbian army breaks and retreat southwards. My army maintains pursuit. and chases them. I also start to hit heir flank with my 14,000 men that i stationed to the south west, accompanied by 150 AFV's.

July 2nd: The Main Serbian army is decimated my a 2 front attack as well as a retreat through a minefield.
In the aftermath: I take a total of 15k soldiers in losses, and also lose 50 AFVs and 10 tanks. I however manage to capture in the battle, 30 AFVs and the anti air battalions Serbia had stationed in Vukovar. Serbia lost 35,000 out of their 45,000 men, the entirety of their their stationed armor divisions. The remaining army surrenders, and i take them as PoWs. Not only is this a major tactical victory, but it further weakens the resolve the Serbian army.

The Western Front:

After Taking an embarrassing string of losses on the Western Front, i prepare plans to reconquer.

June 26th: Operation Sea-Monster is drafted and started. The plans call for an 3 steps, cut off the Serbian Army, Attack the Army, Slaughter the army.

June 27th: In addition to the 10,000 men i draft monthly, i draft an additional 30,000 this month. I will send 20,000 to the eastern front, and use the 20,000 to reinforce my western front. I move them on a land route to Dubrovnik in order to begin siege on the town with artillery fire, My navy meanwhile remove the hastily set mines by Serbia. (If it was not enough to bother trade ships, it shouldn't be a hassle for military ships.)

June 29th: In an attempt to seize the city, i send the garrison in Dubrovnik an ultimatum, either surrender the city or face destruction. (This is up to you Serbia)

June 30th: I begin to start artillery fire on Serbian Positions.

July 1st: My navy, having adequately dealt with the minefield, cuts off the Serbian army from reinforcements from the sea with a blockade. They are supported by 30 newly built fighter jets.

The Aftermath:

I win major victories in both the western front and cyber front. I am currently in the process of taking back my territory in the Eastern front. Serbia is now without electricity due to a devastating wave of cyber attacks, and they are forced to grind mobilization to a halt. The Serbian air force must now go south through Greece in order to reinforce their front on the sea. as they now are unable to cross through Albania. I station my remaining army on the eastern front in Vukovar, and they are reinforced by 20,000 soldiers and 100 newly built tanks. I have air patrols on my border with Serbia and i have a reserve armor division stationed further back to deploy as a i see fit. The morale of my armies are strengthened after the devastating attack on the Serbian electrical grid, and Major victory on the Eastern front of war.
Debate Round No. 2


I am terribly sorry, but I am too busy to my next move. Please do not make a move as I will not be able to make a good offensive if I even have the time to do that.


Very well, i shall not make a a move this turn, but I will just propose a treaty to end the war

August 1: The epic Diplomat Luharis proposes the following treaty
1. The war will be over, obviously.
2. Serbia will with withdraw all forces.
3. Serbia will limit it's air force size to 80 planes, army to 160,000, and Tanks to 350.
4. Croatia will return 10,000 Prisoners of War.
5. Croatia will assist in restoring the Serbian Cyber Network.
6. As Croatia is a member of the European Union, This treaty will be enforced by the EU, any further hostilities or backstabbing will be met with a force from the EU.
7. The border will not be changed.
8. Serbia will pay Croatia 4 Billion (Dollars) in reparations.

If Serbia would like to accept/reject the treaty, they may do so next round, if they have a question/comment/amendment, they may post it in the comments.
Debate Round No. 3


Now that I don't have to stress on the time frame as much I can post an actually good part. Since it seems to be getting intense, these two seem to fit the occasion if done all at once. My god is it epic.

August 5 Serbia will agree to the treaty only if it is revised to air force to 120.(this is for you to decide)

August 10 To save the cities Serbia has conquered, they have two choices. Go back on the offensive or slow Croatian progress to reach them. Seeing Albania, Hungary, Bosnia and Herzegovina are basically supporting them they see there is one way to top the Croatians. They don't like it, but desperate times calls for desperate measures. First they liquidate 1 billion in federal reserves to repair and improve Serbian cyberspace. Also 25 million of that goes towards allowing Serbian planes going through Greek airspace. Another 25 million to allowing Serbian planes to go through Italian airspace, you'll see later. 100 million goes towards allowing Serbian planes to land troops in Slovenia. To blockade Croatia water mines are placed and THESE are the real deal. This is meant to stop any ships from from Croatia to reach anywhere farther than the small strip of land that makes Bosnia and Herzegovina not landlocked. To hep stop them they place anti-mines. While cheap, they certainly makes it much harder to remove any mines. Any Serbian transport planes goes through Greek airspace, then to Italian airspace to avoid detection and finally ending up in Slovenia. they will attack once enough soldiers are there.

August 20 Serbia has been attempting to repair its broken cyberspace, but luckily they have a lot of money to do so.

August 25 The epic diplomat Known as Mr. Almighty holds a Serbian rally with the Serbian president saying these words."We may not be the strongest Balkan country. We may have not be the strongest country from previous Yugoslavia. However we will win."

August 30 Serbian sabatoures attempt to destroy Croatian factories in Operation Counter Attack(out of ideas). Mainly those producing f-15s. 11 strikes are attempted. 3 succeed in rendering the factory inoperable. 4 are partial successes and damage the factories. The rest either were only received minor damaged or were completely foiled.

September 16 With 40,000 soldiers, many drafted assisted by 20 aircraft with anti-aircraft, 30 tanks, and 50 AFVs, some artillery the Serbian army begins a daring attack called operation Yugoslavia. They get ready to attack the capital city of Croatia from Slovenia. Along with that to divert Croatian forces away a small force of 1,000 Serbian soldiers are about to attack the Serbian position on the eastern front by surprise, knowing they will fail they hope to help make this mission a success by buying the other Serbian forces time.

September 17 They begin the assault they begin with the small force of 1,000 Serbians attack a Croatian position under the cover of night, along with being able to jam the majority of communication and radar for the Croatians. The Croatians are caught by surprised thinking the assault would be on the western front or that this attack would begin later. Only because of surprise, the Serbian death toll is only slightly larger than the Croatian death toll. While this happened, the Serbian army attacked, with most Croatian forces on the eastern or western front, the resistance they meet is rather meager. The Croatians in Zagreb have just realized what is going on, but the Serbian army rapidly encircles the city to prevent much escape. Croatian government there are put as hostages. Only the epic diplomat Luharis managed to escape. All weapons in Zagreb are destroyed or seized. The government officials are put under constant watch with at least 2 gunmen ready to shoot each. Luharis receives a phone call listing what the terms of surrender are(this is assuming you did not accept the previous treaty)
1. The war will be over.
2. Serbia will withdraw all of its forces and leave the government officials in peace.
3. Croatia will return 10,000 PoW
4. This treaty will be enforced by Russia and America.
5. The border will be slightly revised only giving Serbia 100 sq kms of land
6. Serbia will pay 4 billion in repairs to Croatia.


For clarity's sake, I will void all of Serbia's moves after August 5th. I accept first peace treaty proposed

August 6th: The Croatian government convenes a secret meeting in order to determine whether or not to accept a modified plan for piece. The Croatian Generals know that if the war is not ended soon, then one of 2 scenarios will play out. Either the war will stalemate for a few years and Croatia eventually will lose because they cannot match Serbian manpower, or Croatia will lose rapidly as the Serbian network is slowly restored.

August 7th: Croatia decides accepts the modified plan for Serbian Surrender. The treaty of Belgrade is signed and ratified by diplomats: Mr. Luharis and Mr. Almighty. It is now as follows:
1. The war is now over
2. Serbia will with withdraw all forces.
3. Serbia will limit it's air force size to 120 planes, army to 160,000, and Tanks to 350.
4. Croatia will return 10,000 Prisoners of War.
5. Croatia will assist in restoring the Serbian Cyber Network.
6. As Croatia is a member of the European Union, This treaty will be enforced by the EU, any further hostilities or backstabbing will be met with a force from the EU.
7. The border will not be changed.
8. Serbia will pay Croatia 4 Billion (Dollars) in reparations.

August 8th: The Nation of Croatia Declares August 8th as a National holiday, much celebration ensues within the Country. The PoWs are also returned to Serbia

August 12th: As promised Croatia starts the process of helping Serbia rebuild it's network

August 14th: With the war over now, The United States now forbids further Croatian manufacturing of the F-15. Croatia may keep the ones already built however.
Debate Round No. 4


Smart move accepting the first.
August 15 To pay for reparations Serbia liquidates 4 billion in foreign exchanges and gold for it to be used for reparation.

Now I think, and I hope you agree also, to let voters decide who was the victor. While we both had good moves let's have voters see who won based on moves and how both ended up. Croatia has much less reserves whiles Serbia still has more and spent less in liquidating reserves.


Well, first, i would like to Mr. Almighty for this well planned war.

And yes, i may have had to spend more, but i believe that in besides the point. I was able to repel the Serbian assault, and was able to impose an arms limit on the Serbian army and made a lot of that money back. But in the end it's all up to the voters.

October 14th: The Serbian Network is back up to it's pre-war state.

August 8th, 2016: Croatia celebrates the anniversary of the treaty of Belgrade.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Luharis 2 years ago
Thank you, and yeah, i'd love to do another one of these soon.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 2 years ago
Your pretty good Luharis, if you want to do another one of these soon just message me.
Posted by Luharis 2 years ago
While yes, i accept that a hack was possible, i believe it is not reasonable on the scale that you did it. To do so would assume that Croatia just sat back, and allowed an attack, which i believe would be false.
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 2 years ago
If North Korea can hack Sony rather easily, either
a) Sony cyber defenses are basically worthless.
b) North Korea has incredible cyber warfare capabilities(I find this unlikely)
c) Even nations with far inferior cyber warfare capabilities can break through nations with better. If a country is hit with a cyber strike, its gonna be bad. Also, I had been working at Croatian cyber defense for a little while before I broke through, they should've been able to break through and cause much damage.
Posted by Luharis 2 years ago
Well, we were discussing in the comments, and you dropped the point, I had thought you agreed, i apologize if i misinterpreted that
Posted by Luharis 2 years ago
Well, we were discussing in the comments, and you dropped the point, I had thought you agreed, i apologize if i misinterpreted that
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 2 years ago
Excuse me, but where did I say I agree if that's your case?
Posted by Luharis 2 years ago
@ tejretics
Serbia has inferior training and equipment, compared to their Croatian counterparts, Serbia and i already discussed this, we agreed that a partial attack was reasonable from Serbia, and it took me almost a month to recover. It was easier for me to knock out Serbia cyber system, as Serbia has inferior capabilities in the field of cyber security compared to Croatia.
Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
*Counter Cyber-attack Impossible*.
Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
Con, how did you mobilize *your* cyber-attacks and forces after suffering from Pro's cyber-attacks? A single wave of cyber-attacks will cripple Croatia's power to consolidate their cyber-power. And I imagine Pro will have used Trojans to hack into your systems, absolutely jamming them.
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