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Started: 2/14/2015 Category: Politics
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This is an armed force war debate, in which any country of your choice fights my nation (the United States) in a war. All firepower is judged solely from When you decide to accept this debate and choose your country, you must provide the PPP GDP of the country (this alone from Wikipedia), the defense budget, the oil reserves and all other data according the the Global Firepower website. Increase of military budget is accepted. For manpower, i.e. active and reserve personnel, only Global Firepower information is allowed, and Wikipedia info is not (unless the GFP and Wikipedia info is the same). Movement from reserve to active personnel and vice versa is accepted. Citizens and military age population is not allowed to enter the army, and only active frontline and reserve personnel is accepted. Diplomatic alliances and military alliances with other nations is strictly not allowed. Ballistic missiles and warheads (non-nuclear, non mass-destructive) are allowed, and all descriptions must be absolutely accurate. Violation of any of the rules results in instant loss and excommunication. The nation chosen MUST be a modern nation. The Soviet Union, and Third Reich Germany, for example, are not allowed. You must choose a weapon of mass destruction that your nation will be using in the first round; otherwise you can use no WMD. Radiological weapons, electronic warfare and digital warfare are not allowed.
Nuclear warhead: No more than 100-kilotons of TNT yield
Chemical weapon: No more than 15 parts-per-million
Biological weapon: Initial infection of no more 1000 people, though infection may spread.
Turn can range for maximum of 45 days, and minimum of 1 day.
Round 1 is for acceptance only. I will make the first move in Round 2. Military alliances are not allowed, though diplomatic and military agreements and treaties are. No other countries, sects, militant groups et cetera are allowed (including religious revolts).
Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) can be used only as a last resort, or if there is a great level of threat to your nation. The usage of the WMD must be described completely, with all accurate measurements (yield, range, parts-per-million, altitude, longitude, latitude etc).
At the beginning of the debate, you must specify your country, your WMD (with descriptions of size) and your number data.
All aspects of the debate must be accurate and realistic. Anything unrealistic or inaccurate will leave the action void. Breaking of the rules will leave that action void. No insults, cursing, inappropriate behavior or trolling. If any insults, cursing, inappropriate behavior or trolling is practiced, it will result in my immediate victory. My data:
Data of my military force (the United States Armed Forces):
GDP (PPP): $16.72 trillion
Nominal GDP: $16.768 trillion
Defense budget: $612.5 billion
Oil reserves: 20.68 billion barrels per day
Active frontline personnel: 1.43 million
Active reserve personnel: 850,880
Total aircraft strength: 13,683
Transport aircraft: 5,222
Trainer aircraft: 2,745
Fighter aircraft: 2,271
Fixed-wing attack aircraft: 2,601
Tanks: 8,325
Armored fighting vehicles (AFVs): 25,782
Self-propelled guns (SPGs): 1,934
Towed artillery: 1,791
Multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRSs): 1,330
Total naval strength: 473
Aircraft carriers: 10
Frigates: 15
Destroyers: 62
Submarines: 72
Coastal Defense Craft: 13
Mine Warfare: 13
Labor force: 155 million
Merchant marine strength: 393
Major ports and terminals: 24
Roadway coverage: 6.58661 million
Railway coverage: 224,792
Airports: 13,513
All data from Global Firepower except PPP GDP and nominal GDP (from Wikipedia).
Anyone accepting this debate must argue against certain ratings of energy, training and technology given by me. Once the country is given by my opponent in Round 1, in Round 2 I will give the rankings by energy, technology and training. Morale in armies can affect the course of the war. The debaters will have complete control over the nation they represent. Money in international debt will not be counted. For further reference, these are the top ten most powerful military powers (by my own ratings, after research from Global Firepower, Wikipedia, Forbes magazine, Business Insider, technology developmental programs, military training and size videos and various strongly reliable and accurate sources):
1. United States
2. Russia
3. China (People's Republic of China)
4. United Kingdom
5. France
6. Germany
7. India
8. Israel
9. Pakistan = Canada
10. South Korea = Japan
The energy, technology and training ratings will be based on rank, in addition to published Global Firepower firepower rating. My WMD is the 100-kiloton-yield nuclear warhead W76. All subject to the terms and conditions of the Instigator (tejretics).


My nation will be China.
Total population:1,350,585,830
Available manpower: 750,610,775
Fi for service: 618,588,627
Active frontline personnel: 2,285,000
Reserve personnel:2,300,00
Tanks: 9,159
AFV: 4,788
SPG: 1,710
Towed-artillery: 6,246
MLRS: 1,770
Total aircraft: 2,788
Fighters/interceptors: 1,170
Fixed wing attack aircraft: 885
Transport aircraft: 762
Trainer aircraft: 380
Helicopters: 856
Total naval strength: 520
Aircraft carriers: 1
Frigates: 45
Destroyers: 24
Corvettes: 9
Coastal defense craft: 353
Mine warfare: 119
Oil production: 4,075,000 billion per day
Labor force: 800 million
Merchant Marine strength: 2,030
Major ports and terminals: 15
Road way coverage: 3,860,800
Railway coverage: 86,00
Airports: 507
Defense budget: 126,000,000,000
GDP (ppp): 16.149 trillion
GDP nominal: 9.469 trillion
I will be using airborne 731 anthrax delivered via sabotage in major cities. A few things must be said first. Let us start off with assuming I have already given my citizens the vaccine for this, since I am using it. Secondly, I believe that since we are using WMDs, we should list the amount of causalities caused by them at the end of each round. For myself, I will try and use WHO and CDC statistics, and you can use any official source you wish.
Debate Round No. 1



May 16th, 2015 (China), May 15th, 2015 (United States):
South China Sea, Disputed International Territory
7:00 A.M. China Standard Time (CST)
The USS Cowpens (CG-63) guided-missile cruiser has been targeted by a Chinese ballistic missile pointed directly towards it according to the National Reconnaissance Office's espionage satellite. CG-63 is retreated from original position and trajectory and is sent to the Sembawang Naval Base in Singapore.

May 16th, 2015 (United States):
White House, Washington D.C., United States
11:32 A.M., Eastern Standard Time (EST)
The President of the United States officially gives authorization to the Secretary of Defense to declare a DEFCON-4 level security position within intelligence and the United States Armed Forces, for risk posed by China in the South China Sea. The President calls for a meeting with him, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Directors of the CIA, the NRO, the NGA, the DIA and the NSA.

May 17th, 2015:
National Reconnaissance Office, Chantilly, Virginia, United States
Imagery from a secret reconnaissance satellite over the South China Sea show Chinese naval forces positioning missiles against various United States warships positioned near the region. An air force team is dispatched for direct action espionage from the NRO office.
Later, May 17th, 2015:
White House, Washington D.C.
The White House is informed of the deaths of a whole air force espionage team of the NRO in the disputed international territory of the South China Sea. United States raises the alert to a DEFCON-3 level.

May 18th, 2015:
Oval Office, White House, Washington D.C.
The President meets the Vice-President for the Senate and House of Representatives proposition to declare war in China, still disputed in Congress. DEFCON-3 level security alerts are raised completely, and the Secretary of State announces that China must remove all ships from American-occupied territories near the South China Sea, or face a declaration of war. Security is risen to a massive DEFCON-2 in case of emergency.

May 19th, 2015:
Department of State, Washington D.C.
The Secretary of State has been informed that China will not budge to the "threats of the United States" by an External Affairs spokesperson. The Secretary of State informs the President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Energy, the Director of National Intelligence, the Directors of the five primary intelligence agencies and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Later, May 19th, 2015:
A meeting of the National Security Council is convened, and DEFCON-2 alerts are raised across the military. The UN Secretary-General is informed of the threat and urges the United States to "act with diplomacy instead of aggression", and to "abstain from severe conflict." The NSC resolves to further monitor the progress of Chinese warships in the South China Sea.

May 20th, 2015:
South China Sea, disputed international territory
The United States sends USS Makin Island (LHD-8) leading all other 7 Wasp-class amphibious assault ships, armed with RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles to counter all assaulting anti-ship cruise missiles sent by the Chinese navy. A group of Lockheed MC-130s is sent to the Yulin Naval Base on south Hainan Island for investigation and emergency assault.

May 21st, 2015:
White House, United States
The Security Council has received Congressional authorization for attacking any naval bases that pose a threat to property and/or life of the United States and to safeguard United States national security. Since the United Nations refuses to pass a resolution granting sanctions against China, the United States Armed Forces are forced to strike the Yulin Naval Base, from where ships with anti-ship cruise missiles are released against already present United States warships.
South China Sea, disputed international territory
With both executive and Congressional authorization, a Lockheed MC-130 (Combat Talon II) launches a GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb on a cruise missile. It strikes the naval base with a blast yield of 11 tons of TNT, enough to destroy most of the naval base.

May 22nd, 2015:
South China Sea, disputed international territory
A gathering of offensive Chinese warships is struck with aircraft that launch 15 Tomahawk missiles with submunitions dispensers with BLU 97/B Combined Effects Bomb warheads, destroying three out of the nine destroyers in the South Sea Fleet. The Yulin Naval Base garrison is destroyed, disabling the South Sea Fleet.
White House, Washington D.C.
The President is warned by the UN Secretary-General that another attack will result in sanctions. The same warning is conveyed to Chinese officials.


May 22nd, 2015:
Beijing, Peoples Congress
The Peoples national committee unanimously declares war on the USA. A joint staff meeting between the heads of the armed forces agrees upon the following immediate plan. The North china sea and yellow sea fleet would be redeployed to the south china sea in a massive counter attack against the American fleet. The remaining south China sea ships were then ordered to regroup to the north and await for their comrades to arrive. The Chinese air force command has agreed to send a combination of Su-30 MMk's and JH-7's to attack Palawan naval base, and Chang Chunigi air base. After the air attack, the Su-30 MMK's and a squadron of SU-27's would begin air supremacy missions over the conflict area.

May 23nd, 2015:
South China Sea, disputed international territory
The Yellow, North, and remaining southern sea fleets have congregated in the south China sea and have begun the counter-attack against the US naval forces. The Air squadrons have successfully completed their mission of destroying Palawan and Chang Chunigi. American air power in the area is crippled, and the Americans cannot expect reinforcements in the area for the current battle.

May 24th, 2015:
South China Sea, disputed international territory
The combined PLN naval fleets successfully repelled the American fleets from the South China Sea. The USS Makin island was destroyed, along with 2 American submarines. The PLN lost the Yuan 039 ( conventional sub) the Kunming and Gangsha ( destroyers) and the Xuzhou ( Frigate) Air Supremacy has been gained over the entire conflict area.

May 25th, 2015:
Beijing, Peoples Congress
The national peoples committee unanimously voted in declaring the South China Sea national water boundaries, this decision being only symbolical, still, boosted Chinese moral. The national peoples committee decided to institute a call to all reserves into active service. The joint heads of the military drew up plans for an amphibious invasion of the Midway island.

May 26th, 2015:
Beijing, Peoples Congress
The Premier has called a cease fire with the USA, stating that " We only seek to end further fighting." It is not expected for them to accept, but them denying it would cause international outrage, which may play into their favor.

May 27th, 2015:
South China Sea, Now officially Chinese national waters
The North China sea fleets and yellow sea fleets have been redeployed past the national waters of the Philippine's and are now forming a defensive line backed by a strong Chinese air presence. The joint chiefs of the military are still planning the invasion of Midway.
Debate Round No. 2


Rebuttal: You have not described any way that the remaining South Sea Fleet, disabled and weakened by the destruction of the Yulin Naval Base, has repulsed the other fleet. I call for accurate descriptions of the missiles used, etc.

June 1st, 2015:
Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, and Singapore all impose complete economic sanction on China for the declaration of the entire South China Sea as their own. ASEAN calls for regional peace and stability, and for the South China Sea to be declared, officially, international waters. The President of the United States declares that the SC Sea must be declared international waters in the UN Security Council, and the UN Secretary-General calls the complete control of the SC Sea by China a "despicable" act.

June 2nd, 2015:
The United States shoots its defense budget to $700 billion and sends a fleet of 25 destroyers, 7 frigates, and 6 aircraft carriers all holding Boeing F-22 Raptors, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, McDonnel Douglas F-15 Eagles and Lockheed MC-130E Combat Talon 1s to attack the city of Zhanjiang.

June 4th, 2015:
The fleet has reached the coast of Zhanjiang, where the Lockheed MC-130E CT1s launch another GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast. Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirits scour the Zhanjiang air, launching GBU-57 A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrators, penetrating and destroying all bunkers in the area. The destroyers launch Trident missiles with submunitions dispensers holding BLU 97/B Combined Effects Bomb warheads that destroy the complete Zhanjiang fleet before Chinese forces can react. Recon satellites detect movement in nearby fleets, and another group of Lockheed MC-130 E Combat Talon 1s launch GBU-43/B MOAB warhead-tipped missiles, destroying the naval base in the town. USS Winston S. Churchill leads a group of destroyers to penetrate further through the newly strengthened South Sea Fleet.

June 5th, 2015:
American reinforcements come to strengthen its Air Force, which is five times larger than China's. Packs of Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning IIs, Boeing F-22 Raptors, Boeing F-15 Strike Eagles, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons, Lockheed F-117 Nighthawks, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt-2s, Boeing A/V-8B Harrier IIs, Grumman F-14 Tomcats and McDonnel Douglas F-4 Phantom IIs form a massive group to launch an attack on Guangzhou, completely destroying the military region with MOABs and missile-tipped Trident missiles.

June 6th, 2015:
The military bases of Zhanjiang, Guangzhou and Yulin are in complete ruins, with no chance of repair for recent times. The United States next imposes economic sanctions on China, controlling trade actions till China removed all troops from the South China Sea. The President says, "I do not seek conflict with a powerful economic partner of the United States, but unless China exercises freedom over the South China Sea and halts attacks on US military bases and ships in the sea, the United States stands for security of its citizens and material above everything else."

June 7th, 2015:
The President calls for China to respond to United States' pleas for resuming the prior status quo of the South China Sea, but a CIA investigation shows that Chinese defense is planning attacks on further naval bases. The destroyers stationed in the South China Sea retain a strong position, and reinforcements are sent expecting a Chinese counterattack. NRO satellites are in constant alert to detect any military movements in China.

June 8th, 2015:
The United States sends further large squadrons of 953 combat aircraft to the location of conflict, launching powerful bombs to cripple the Yellow and North fleets and retain air supremacy. 2000 American aircraft constantly send missiles to the less powerful and less technologically advanced Chinese aircraft, establishing complete air supremacy over the war zone.

June 9th, 2015:
The detonation of further MOABs, Massive Ordnance Penetrators and Combined Effects Bomb warheads destroy all 6 destroyers of the North Sea fleet, effectively crushing the offensive navy of China. Zumwalt-class destroyers launch powerful Combined Effects Bomb on various Chinese garrisons across the South China Sea. Some destroyers are retreated the guard the American borderline.

June 10th, 2015:
The United Nations urges both sides to stop war, and urges China to keep the South China Sea international waters.

June 11th, 2015:
With the powerful protection of all surrounding American fleets, the destruction of China's primary naval bases and the air superiority of the United States, the United States virtually controls the South China Sea. The DEFCON-2 level protection is strengthened. A Red Alert is announced by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to ensure protection of the state. Recon satellite systems of the CIA, the DIA, the NRO and the NGA are heightened to a maximum level, with imagery captured all across the world. Congress allows the superiority of Executive Orders over Congress itself for the period of war. Congress grants Emergency Powers to the President, allowing the Supreme Court to recognize Presidential superiority.

June 12th, 2015:
United States military bases around the world are mobilized with maximum security to deflect and repulse any Chinese attacks, and the President calls for immediate Chinese surrender.


Belak forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


Principal Objectives of the United States during the South China Sea crisis:
1. Recapture the South China Sea and declare it international waters guarded by American forces.
2. Restore the independence of the Philippines from the People's Republic of China in exchange for the republic to open territory for well-guarded American naval and air bases to defend the waters of the South China Sea.
3. Capture the provinces of Guangdong and Hainan temporarily, until China unanimously declares peace with the United States and surrenders the Philippines and the South China Sea officially.
4. Ensure the South China Sea is administered by the United Nations and protected by the Republic of Philippines, the United States, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.
5. Restart major diplomatic relations with the PRC, and declare complete peace with the territories of China.
6. Surrendering the Guangdong and Hainan Provinces for Chinese administration.
7. Completely restoring trade with China.

June 16th, 2015:
New York City, United States
The UN Secretary General calls for withdrawal of Chinese troops in the captured state of the Philippines, and for a peace treaty to be signed that declares the South China Sea international waters. A Communist Party spokesperson says that the Chinese government declines. The United States Secretary of State asks China to declare the Philippines an independent territory and tells the UN that it will not withdraw from the South China Sea until this is accomplished.

June 17th, 2015:
Beijing, People's Republic of China
The General Secretary of the Communist Party and the Premier of China jointly declare that they refuse to accede the Philippines to any other sovereign state, and they refuse to grant the Philippines independence. This statement is criticized and condemned by the United Nations Secretary-General, Japan, Australia, the United States, the UK, and France.

June 18th, 2015:
Haikou Naval Air Base, Hainan Province, PRC
The United States sends 507 fixed-wing attack aircraft, 432 fighter aircraft, and 200 interceptor aircraft, alongside 7 destroyers and 4 aircraft carriers to the Haikou Naval Air Base. Squads of Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning IIs, Boeing F-22 Raptors, Boeing F-15 Strike Eagles, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons, Lockheed F-117 Nighthawks, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt-2s, Boeing A/V-8B Harrier IIs, Grumman F-14 Tomcats, and McDonnel Douglas F-4 Phantom IIs are sent to launch BLU 97/B Combined Effects Bombs. A squadron of Lockheed F-117 Nighthawks drops a group of BLU-117 Mark 84 warheads all loaded with Tritonal and Composition H6. They detonate with a blast radius of 400 yards each, and each is donated 1600 feet away from the other; 35 bombs are detonated. GBU-57 A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrators are also detonated to pierce and destroy all bunkers 30 feet and above. Infrastructure is not targeted directly. The primary manpower of the Haikou base retreat, thus allowing the capture of the whole Hainan Province.

June 19th, 2015:
Guangzhou, United States captured territory, Guangdong province, China
United States military forces spread out across Guangzhou and Zhangjiang (already captured in the previous round), and send aircraft and reinforcements from Hainan Province to other administrative centers of the Guangdong province. The province is captured without bloodshed.

June 20th, 2015:
Manila, the Philippines, Chinese National Territory
The United States Department of State sends an official to begin talks on the independence of the Philippines from China, and seeks to resume diplomatic relations of the United States and China.


I'm sorry, but I am quitting this debate for how unrealistic you have made it. There is no way that you would have been able to reach Zhanjiang without first having to go threw the Lanzhou straits north of the Philippines which I have already stated were under PLC control and were defended by the three largest navies the PLN had to offer. Secondly, how did you get to Guangzhou if the South China Sea was under PLC control, also, I had previously stated that constant air supremacy missions were being taken in the area and it appears as if you just swept them aside. Thirdly, how on Earth could you deploy that many aircraft when the two largest American airfields in the area were destroyed. Where did this new American fleet come from? Palawan was destroyed, remember?! Yulin you do realize is a MASSIVE area, and that it would take weeks to destroy all of its military capabilities? Finally, I did not invade the Philippines, I just positioned my navy north of their border. I cannot continue on in this debate with such unrealistic actions being taken. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 4


1. The large forces were deployed from Japan. The US Recon satellites had detected China's mobilization, and responded by preparing mobilization from Japan.
2. The movement to Guangzhou and Zhanjiang were from Yulin, and the powerful reinforcements, as mentioned, overpowered Chinese control over the South China Sea.
3. How were Palawan and "Chang Chunigi" attacked without a powerful United States response? None of the missiles deployed were mentioned; you just sent a squadron of aircraft. But forces of the United States had mobilized across the South China Sea, thus allowing swift reinforcements. The DEFCON-2 threat level extends to American military bases all across the world, and thus these were prepared. And the forces of the SC Sea that attacked Yulin had retreated to Palawan (the closest naval base). This too is unrealistic.
4. The powerful United States forces faced damage but took a longer route beyond the Philippines, through the SC Sea instead, to reach Zhanjiang. The numbers of the air supremacy missions were NOT mentioned, and therefore they were small compared to the reinforcements sent from Japan, the Philippines and Singapore.
5. I only attacked the control centers of Yulin, essentially disabling the structure, and tearing through the base infrastructure. The personnel were targeted primarily.
6. Palawan is in the Philippines. The warships were redeployed "past the national waters of the Philippines", and formed a defensive line across the Philippines.
7. How did you deploy so many naval forces in a day from the North Fleet?
8. What is the "Yellow Fleet"?

Thus, what you have said is unrealistic as well, and my arguments were FAIRLY realistic, and MORE REALISTIC THAN YOUR ARGUMENTS.

July 1st, 2015:
Beijing, People's Republic of China:
The United Nations has imposed severe economic sanctions on China, forcing it to economic withdrawal. The Chinese Premier and the General Security of the Communist Party are forced to withdraw their troops from the South China Sea.

July 21st, 2015:
Washington D.C., United States
The United States gets a message from China involving its official surrender.

July 22nd, 2015:
Chinese forces are withdrawn from international waters and diplomatic relations resume.

Note: Since you have left the debate, you cannot post an argument in Round 5. Leaving the debate has been considered official surrender.


Belak forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
11 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Sadat_Hossain 1 year ago
It has been splendid debate. Don't fall in real war.
Posted by Belak 1 year ago
So, are we essentially creating a scenario in which this war is taking place and we are the commanders in chief, or are we just comparing whom would most likely win in a war
Posted by Russia_The_almighty 1 year ago
What happens if I choose China, you do something, such as place mines nearby and a Japanese passenger ship hits one, gets destroyed and they declare war or demand something or they will declare war. Then could another nation intervene?
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
Intervention of other countries via sanctions, trade of technology, funding etc. is allowed to a realistic extent, but direct intervention (i.e. direct conflict, training et cetera) is not allowed.
Posted by lannan13 1 year ago
Assumine I do this debate is it just US vs. Nation of my choice with no outside interfearence. IE no NATO, Warsaw Pact, etc....?
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
Sorry, the repeats were a glitch.
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
No, I'm sorry. I must start the war. I revised the rules and decided that I must start the war in Round 2.
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
No, I'm sorry. I must start the war. I revised the rules and decided that I must start the war in Round 2.
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
No, I'm sorry. I must start the war. I revised the rules and decided that I must start the war in Round 2.
Posted by tejretics 1 year ago
Yes. You can start the war. I'll make a change in Round 1.
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