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War Scenario: United States vs the Islamic Republic of Iran

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Started: 4/27/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Titanium_Conservative1776

Con

This is the new setup. There will be 5 rounds and the character limit has been raised to 10,000. Also I decided I want to be Iran so I changed the scenario to USA vs Iran. Here are the rules:
1. Forfeiting results in a loss of conduct or possibly the debate
2. Any citations or sources must be used within the character limit of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final round
4. Maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling or semantics

The first round will be only for acceptance of the debate. Then we can begin debating. In this debate, do not limit yourself to only military strategy. Political atmosphere, economics, war effort, and other aspects that involve fighting a war may come into play. Good luck and may the best strategist win!
Redbaron3297

Pro

Since the first argument was just stating rules I am not going to say anything expect good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
Titanium_Conservative1776

Con

Please read these rules I found on another war scenario. They are extremely well done and effectively explain how the war shall be conducted.

There are some strict rules that apply in the war scenario:
1. When you accept the debate, state your country, and state the numbers of your armed forces (aircraft, men, ships, etc.). Use this source for military numbers ONLY, as it is the most reliable:http://www.globalfirepower.com......
2. Each country's turn can range from about 3 days to 45 days, so please take in consideration of how much you do in a turn, make it reasonable. (DO NOT try to win in one turn! Take into account that your opponent is also a living, thinking being that can adapt to a situation.)
3. Morale is a key factor in your armed forces' effectiveness.
4. You may produce more military forces (soldiers, ships, aircraft, tanks/humvees/cavalry), but it depends on your military budget, your country's population, and how industrialized your nation is.
5. You may choose to invade or defend.
6. The defender makes the first move.
7. The defender's primary military objective is to remove the attacker's forces from the defender's territory. The attacker's primary military objective is to annex the other country, or destroy it (physically, economically, &etc). Secondary military objectives can be made by the debaters if they wish. Fulfillment of the military objectives is victory. If either side fails to fulfill their set objectives, the voters are free to reasonably determine the winner based off of who was more successful in completing their objectives.
8. If a nation's capital is destroyed/liberated, this does not necessarily mean that the war is won; the capital could be recaptured.
If one of the debaters destroys or controls the administration of the opposing country, OR if the opposing country is destroyed to the point of no administration, then that debater automatically wins the war.
9. Every aspect of the war must be realistic and must remain within the parameters established by the rules and the title. Any unrealistic action and actions deviating from the rules will cause the entire action to be void. Any further deviation after the first void action will result in a complete debate forfeiture.
10. You can have ONLY ONE WMD (Chooses WMD). WMD is to be used as a last resort. It can only be used if there is an extreme threat to the nation or your army. IF a WMD is to be used, you MUST fully describe the effects of its' use IN DETAIL. Every aspect of the WMDs effects MUST be correct and realistic.
Any unrealistic detail in the effects will cause the use of the weapon and ALL of its' effects to become void, and there will be no "restocking" of the WMD. Once you use it, you used it, whether or not the effects are void. At the beginning of the "war," you MUST specify what country you are, what WMD you will use (and describing the weapon using the below rules in the weapons' list), and you must show what the entirety of your armed forces is made of (soldier count, tanks, artillery, ships, aircraft, etc.).
Specify what your WMD is going to be. Specify ALL measurements of the WMD (yield, range, parts-per-million, altitude, longitude, latitude, etc).
You may choose ONE weapon from the following list of WMDs:
- Chemical: Maximum 15 parts-per-million. Specify chemical type. Anthrax and all nerve agents ARE allowed, but only one can be used.
- Radiological: Specify and describe the used radioactive material at the beginning of the war. MUST specify location of detonation (longitude, latitude, altitude. Also name country, province/state, and city of detonation) and the method of delivery. Only in small quantity (yet unspecified). CANNOT be directed at civilian targets.
- MOAB/FOAB: Must be used in the unconventional manner. If an MOAB/FOAB is detonated above ground and at an altitude, it has the effects of a tactical nuclear weapon (thus classifying it as a WMD) without the radiation. MUST specify location of the detonation (longitude, latitude, altitude. Also name country, province/state, and city of detonation).
NO BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS OR NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE ALLOWED.
11. No allies (NATO, UN, Muslim Brotherhood, or otherwise) under ANY circumstances. Annexation of other countries or agreements that allow formations of larger nations and/or direct military intervention is NOT allowed. Personnel and forces CANNOT be supplied by other nations.
You CAN have military or diplomatic agreements and/or treaties with other nations (agreements not to interfere, &etc).
Religion is NOT a factor. No economic sanctions from any other nation, but economic warfare is allowed.
12. Cyber warfare is allowed. Electronic warfare is limited to radar/radio jamming and interception; NO EMPs.
13. The country chosen must be one of the 206 sovereign states recognized by the United Nations as of 2015. Former states such as the USSR are not accepted, nor are territory-controlling factions not officially recognized by the United Nations, such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, currently the Islamic State), and Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas, but recognized by the UN as a part of Palestine.
14 (Code of Conduct Part A). Appropriate conduct MUST be maintained: no insults, cursing, profanity, vulgar language or trolling. Any violation of appropriate conduct WILL BE REPORTED to DDO authorities.
15 (Code of Conduct Part B). By the second code of conduct, we must provide our war-debate victory-percentage in the beginning of such debates.
16. If you fail to follow the rules once, you will be given a warning and your actions in that round will be void. Further disobedience of ANY of these rules WILL result in an immediate loss of the debate.
17. The Instigator must always take the Pro side of the debate.
18. These debates are strictly Force versus Force; no civilian action is allowed unless Total War is declared.
19. Total War is allowed ONLY AFTER the use of WMDs.
20. All scenarios MUST be realistic; there MUST be an established reason for conflict.
21. These debates are strictly Force versus Force; no civilian action is allowed unless Total War is declared.
22. If you fail to follow the rules once, you will be given a warning and your actions in that round will be void. Further disobedience of ANY of these rules WILL result in an immediate loss of the debate.

I will post Iran's military statistics to start off the debate.

MANPOWER
Total Population: 80,840,713
Available Manpower: 46,247,556
Fit for Service: 39,566,497
Reaching Military Age Annually: 1,392,483]
Active Front line Personnel: 545,000
Active Reserve Personnel: 1,800,000

LAND SYSTEMS
Tanks: 1,658
Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFVs): 1,315
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 320
Towed-Artillery: 2,078
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems (MLRSs): 1,474

AIR POWER
Total Aircraft: 471
Fighters/Interceptors: 137
Fixed-Wing Attack Aircraft: 119
Transport Aircraft: 196
Trainer Aircraft: 78
Helicopters: 123
Attack Helicopters: 12

NAVAL POWER
Total Naval Strength: 397
Aircraft Carriers: 0
Frigates: 6
Destroyers: 0
Corvettes: 3
Submarines: 32
Coastal Defense Craft: 111
Mine Warfare: 7

RESOURCES (PETROLEUM)
Oil Production: 3,518,000 bbl/day
Oil Consumption: 1,900,000 bbl/day]
Proven Oil Reserves: 154,600,000,000 bbl/day

LOGISTICAL
Labor Force: 27,720,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 76]
Major Ports and Terminals: 3
Roadway Coverage: 172,927
Railway Coverage: 8,442
Serviceable Airports: 319

FINANCIAL (in USD)
Defense Budget: $6,300,000,000
External Debt: $15,640,000,000
Reserves of Foreign Exchange and Gold: $68,060,000,000
Purchasing Power Parity: $987,100,000,000

GEOGRAPHY (in km)
Square Land Area: 1,648,195 km
Coastline: 2,440 km
Shared Border: 5,894 km
Waterways: 850 km

http://www.globalfirepower.com...

My chosen WMD shall be the Sarin nerve agent.

Obviously, since I am Iran, I will be defending. That also means I will be going first. In your Round 2 argument, please state your military statistics and chosen WMD. Then in Round 3, the war will begin.

In this scenario, Iran has successfully developed and detonated its first nuclear device. As a response, the US attacks Iran to neutralize Iranian military capabilities.

Good luck and may the best strategist win!
Redbaron3297

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
Titanium_Conservative1776

Con

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Redbaron3297

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
Titanium_Conservative1776

Con

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Redbaron3297

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
Titanium_Conservative1776

Con

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Redbaron3297

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Titanium_Conservative1776 2 years ago
Titanium_Conservative1776
I guess my opponent went AWOL.
Posted by Titanium_Conservative1776 2 years ago
Titanium_Conservative1776
No biological weapons may be used.
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