The Instigator
careless-smith
Pro (for)
Losing
6 Points
The Contender
Korezaan
Con (against)
Winning
65 Points

War in Iraq

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/13/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,106 times Debate No: 4008
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careless-smith

Pro

I support the Iraq war. We need to settle business with the middle east and this is a good way to do it. Each U.S. death is worth it.
Korezaan

Con

If my opponent fails to warrant his points, you default NEG due to burden of proof.

I await any and all reasons as to why the War in Iraq should be supported.
Debate Round No. 1
careless-smith

Pro

We need to settle business with the middle east and Iraq. George H.W. Bush fought them in the Gulf War, and we have yet to settle business. We took care of Saddam, and now we must help rebuild this tarnished country. Giving lives for others is worth it.
Korezaan

Con

I told you in my R1 that if he provides no warrant for his arguments, you cannot vote for him, since he has the burden of proof.

Let's look at his points.

"We need to settle business with the middle east and Iraq."

- He never tells you what exactly this business is.
- Or why it needs to be settled. So this point is null.

"George H.W. Bush fought them in the Gulf War, and we have yet to settle business."

- He never tells you who "them" is.
- Nor did he tell you why George H.W. Bush matters.
- And he still doesn't say what the business is. So this point is null.

"We took care of Saddam, and now we must help rebuild this tarnished country."

- He never tells you why we must.
- He never tells you the significance of Saddam.
- Rebuild? We're in there for the FREAKIN OIL.
- REBUILDING is not what you do in a WAR. So this point is null.

"Giving lives for others is worth it."

- He never tells you why that's true.
- He never tells you why this is better than, say, NOT "GIVING AWAY" LIVES AT ALL.
- Since when could you "give [away]" a life (I'm assuming we're not talking about sex makes babies here)? It's not like a napkin; life has uncountable value.
- Under the point of view that "giving lives for others is worth it", then pretty much ANY AND EVERY WAR is justified, since the government can ALWAYS say "ITS FOR YOUR SAFETY". Well, we saw what went on in Vietnam didn't we? Killed all those Vietnamese and all those Americans for no reason. Safety. People think it's suddenly only an issue that America has to face. The only thing we have to see in Iraq is terrorist cells, and the only thing we're doing by sending troops over there is

1) Killing them, since they'll be under fire by insurgents and terrorists
2) Killing them, since there will be suicide bombers every now and then
3) Killing their lives, since plenty of them come back with PTSD
4) Killing them faster, since high stress levels of knowing you're going to be under fire but unsure of which direction it's going to come from wear out cells faster

Oh yes, and to get the oil.

The only justification my opponent has provided is that "we have unsettled business". He doesn't tell you what the business is, and he doesn't tell you why we NEED to finish unsettled business. He also doesn't tell you why it's suddenly justified to start "giving lives" for the cause of unsettled business, so he hasn't fulfilled any of the basic burdens of even just making an argument.

Therefore, he has not fulfilled his burden,

and you vote CON.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
"...you cannot vote for him, since he has the burden of proof."

Actually, Con, you both have equal burdens.
Posted by beem0r 6 years ago
beem0r
careless-smith: If you see this, I am asking you to change your Avatar ASAP. Your current avatar was not only made by me, but you using my avatar runs the risk of damaging my credibility, since people will associate your arguments with my persona. I will report you for this if you do not change it before the end of this week [Sun, May 25, 12:01 AM EST].
Posted by Toucan_Sam 6 years ago
Toucan_Sam
Democracy does not work everywhere. To force it upon a region, especially one where there are many groups that hate each other is foolish.

Lincoln was talking about the civil war I fail to see how similarities can be drawn to this situation. Those were men that were trying to save the north. If the north would have lost Gettysburg they most likely would have lost the war.

The country is only tarnished because we were stupid enough to install a leader there in the first place. Its our own damn fault and now we are just wasting money and lives and not solving too much in the process.
Posted by ahundredhighways 6 years ago
ahundredhighways
i'd like to encourage everyone who reads this debate to also read lincolns gettysburg address

we must secure iraq to begin bringing securing and bringing liberty to the middle east, and i will openly say, in my belief we should do it by any means necessary

but the adress was when lincoln was dedicating gettysburg to the men who died there, and he basically said, now that this has been dedicated to the men, we must not make their sacrifice one made in vain
Posted by Aqua34 6 years ago
Aqua34
Hey, well I am just going to say something about your round here real fast and don't take anything to offense.

Careless-Smith I liked the topic you picked, but explaining why, would have helped you a lot more in this debate. Also adding evidence and backing up your claims would have been great too. You can really add onto your points which would have helped your side.

Korezaan I liked how you said that he needed evidence to back himself up and that is really good in a debate. You gave lots of reasons why we should not vote for the other side and that you disproved him in ways.

Heh...I am not a judge, but I just kind of gave suggestions so take no offense and goodluck further down the road both of you.
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