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Was Benito Mussolini a good leader for Italy?

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Started: 5/13/2015 Category: Politics
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KingofMordor

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In your thoughts was Benito Mussolini trying to do what was best for Italy.
Benshapiro

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Mussolini is considered a fear-mongerer, mobster, terrorist, a thug, and one of the most evil people in the world.

A "good leader" is one that the people accept, adore, praise, and cherish. A good leader is one that has strong and moral values.

"Megolomaniac moron. A review of his screw-ups:

1. Declares war on UK AFTER Hitler had already driven them off of the continent (Dunkirk) This opens up a front in North Africa as Italy squares off againt British there. After getting their clocks cleaned by the Brits, Hitler has to divert vluable manpower to North Africa.

2. Declares war on France AFTER Germans have already reached Paris! This leaves a bitter taste in Marshall Petain's mouth. Hitler later wrote that Petain would have joined the war against UK had it not been for the fact that Hitler was joined at the hip by the hanger-on from Rome.

3. Italy picks a senseless fight with Greece. When the Greeks thwart the Italians, the Brits start arriving on the south European mainland to help the Greeks. Hitler is again forced to divert manpower and chase the Brits out of Greece. The invasion of Russia had to be delayed for 2 critical months because of this....those 2 lost months would have given the Germans Moscow and likely collapsed the whole rotten Soviet system.

Had Italy remianed nuetral, Germany would have won the war in 1941, and the US would have had no way of getting in."
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Debate Round No. 1
KingofMordor

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First of all. Welcome to my debate, i hope we can keep it civil between us.
Now for the discussion.
Italy could have been an Allied of Germany during WW1, however they felt the treaty with Germany would not give them the territories they wanted around the Adriatic sea region.
-http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...
Thus they signed the treaty with the Allies during ww1. The war didn't go as planned to the Italians, on the field the Austrians were ripping them to shreds, one of the many wounded was Benito Mussolini whom was injured in 1917. Back at home social unrest, strikes and mass rallies by communist teared the country apart, to the near push of civil war. Italian leader were ineffective, Victor Manuel III was ruling a corrupted government that brought even bigger shame to Italy after the treaty of Versailles.
-http://micahismyname.blogspot.com...
The treaty left Italy out of any deals that were promised to them in London of 1915. That was the last straw, Italy was officially in anarchism, on route to civil war. However the first kick of fascism was not made by Mussolini, but by Gabriele D'Annunzio (http://en.wikipedia.org...) whom took Fiume by force with loyal soldiers. Gabriele was a National Hero, it was normal for him to have many followers.
Eventually Mussolini started his fascist group, and took the attention of many soldiers who felt they were betrayed by their Government, and by communist Italians. Through a long and bloody campaign fighting communist with his squadistras, Benito had the March of Rome giving him power to take control of Italy.
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Benito actually almost went to war with Hitler after he killed his friend Engelbert Dollfuss the Chacellor of Austria. Mussolini begged France and England for help, but they refused. Any smart leader with a weaker military would try to make their nation stronger, and Mussolini did just that when attacking Africa. He strengthened his economy, his military and his Empire, he helped Spain fight against communist militants; but Hitler kept pushing for war but time and time again Mussolini denied him and prolonged him. Once Mussolini saw that England was kicked out of France, and that the French were on full retreat he took a side on the conflict, his real goal that to make a Roman Empire, which meant taking control of the Mediterranean Sea.
If Italy wouldn't have enter WW1, i doubt it would have made a change.
Was Italy ready for a war of such magnitude, NO. But is not how they say either in the western propaganda about Italian soldiers.
http://pictureshistory.blogspot.com...
Italians had no chance of winning. Many of them died fighting, my grandfather was wounded twice in the war, Italians had a popular saying when it came to their wounds. Me Ne Frego (I dont give a damn).
Benshapiro

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Benshapiro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
KingofMordor

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Its a shame that my contender has forfeited this debate.I was really hoping for a debate with such an intellectual person like himself, that has experience on this site. If my fellow debater or others are interested about learning bout Il Duce. Please read and watch the following videos.
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Benshapiro

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