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Was Bill Clinton really a good president?

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Started: 12/11/2007 Category: Politics
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ReaganConservative

Con

Former President Bill Clinton ran one of the most corrupt administrations this great nation has ever known. The United States was attacked numerous times without an aggressive response and bin Laden was to the point where he was being delivered on a silver platter by Sudanese authorities, yet Clinton let him go. Clinton participated in "sexual escapades" in the Oval Office with an intern his daughter's age. Even though committing adultery is not a crime, the fact he committed perjury and lied to the American people regarding Lewinsky is what puts the blemish on his record. Clinton was impeached. He holds the record for greatest number of associates resigning under fire, pleading the Fifth, fleeing the country, gone to jail, or died under mysterious circumstances. He was disbarred from practicing law in his home state. He pardoned a convicted drug dealer and a convicted traitor. He was a draft dodger. He paid $800,000 to settle a sexual harrassment claim. And illegal immigration increased dramatically under his administration, with 15 million new undocumented illegal immigrants, some of which took parts in the 9/11 attacks. Does he really deserve the title of a "great president?" I think not.
Spencerific

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-"The United States was attacked numerous times without an aggressive response and bin Laden was to the point where he was being delivered on a silver platter by Sudanese authorities, yet Clinton let him go."-
First, I'd like to say, during the Clinton administration very little of the population would have found an "aggressive response" to the events that took place favorable. That doesn't mean they didn't happen. Special forces operations took place throughout the Clinton administration. But, even if you don't believe that, Newt Gingrich has said publicly that Clinton pushed the congressional foreign relations and the armed services committee for more funding for anti-terrorism. The Republican congress did that allot additional funding to those programs.

Bill did get some very important things done; On March 14th, 1996, Bill Clinton authorized $100 million counter-terrorism agreement with Israel to track down and root out terrorists. Extraordinary rendition got approval for the first time in the USA from the Clinton administration. He also tried to get Ehud Barak of Israel and Yasser Arafat of the Palestinian National Authority, to agree to a final settlement agreement. He attacked al Qaeda training camps in 1998 and attempted to capture Bin Ladin himself through multiple authorizations for use of lethal force. The military, under the Clinton administration, broke up about 20 al Qaeda cells, arrested several dozen of their people, prevented several terrorist incidents against American interests, including attempts to blow up planes flying into LAX over the millennium. Also, the Intelligence community (namely the CIA, FBI, etc..) accumulated information over these years and delivered it to George W. Bush when he took office. Now it isn't part of this debate, but what didn't he do anything for 9 months?

Bill Clinton took what could be described as "Non-Public" aggressive action and tactical actions that reduced the cost and potential loss of life of everyone involved.

-"Clinton participated in "sexual escapades" in the Oval Office with an intern his daughter's age. Even though committing adultery is not a crime, the fact he committed perjury and lied to the American people regarding Lewinsky is what puts the blemish on his record."-
Ok. I can tell you, without a doubt, he isn't the only president to have had affairs while in office. It's a common occurrence. Does that make it right? No. But I don't see it fair that you can say "He got caught messing around, ergo he is bad president." Then, oh my gosh, he lied about it. Wow. What man wouldn't? He did the logical thing and tried to keep a painful incident from his wife, child, and country. Do you really hold that against him? Again, I don't say "it's ok" that he did what he did, but don't pretend this is the first time a president (of either party) has done something like this. I mean, if you want to talk about scandal, lets talk about the republicans and their underage same-sex intern scandals, or their airport gay-sex solicitation scandal, or their redistricting scams. I mean, Washington corrupts, that's just the way it is. We hope our politicians won't participate in these sorts of things, but even if they do, it doesn't negate the positive actions taken to improve our nation.

-"Clinton was impeached. He holds the record for greatest number of associates resigning under fire, pleading the Fifth, fleeing the country, gone to jail, or died under mysterious circumstances."-
Are you really accusing Bill Clinton of firing people who's political ideas didn't match his? He took over after 12 years of republican rule, of course he is going to fire people.

* Ronald Reagan: Dismissed all previously appointed attorneys en masse and replaced them upon assuming office.
* George H.W. Bush: Kept appointees from the previous administration. Only one attorney's "resignations [was] the result of questionable conduct." Frank McNamara, Jr. resigned because he had "been the focus of heated dispute since the Justice Department announced in November [1988] that he was the target of an internal probe."
* Bill Clinton: Dismissed all previously appointed attorneys en masse and replaced them upon assuming office. Those attorneys who left office before completing their two four-year terms left for personal reasons. Two of those "resignations were the result of questionable conduct." Larry Colleton resigned in 1994 after being videotaped grabbing a reporter by the throat, and Kendall Coffey resigned in 1996 amidst allegations of biting a topless dancer.
* George W. Bush: Did not dismiss all the attorneys en masse when he assumed office. Bush Allowed a few to continue in their positions for several months until he replaced with his own selections early in his administration. Bush dismissed eight U.S. attorneys on December 7, 2006, in the middle of their second terms, without citing reason. Three other attorneys resigned without either explicitly stating reasons or providing conclusive evidence as to what reasons were prompting their resignations.

Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office (January 20, 2001). When a sentence is commuted, the conviction remains intact, but the sentence can be altered in a number of ways. Some controversial actions include the following:

* Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
* Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case.
* Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
* Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
*Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before.

So, again, are you really going hold pardoning his brother after he had served his entire sentence against him? I'll admit some of his pardons were controversial, most pardons tend to be, but I don't think his presidency should be judged by his pardons or firings.

-"He was disbarred from practicing law in his home state."-
For five years only, before he was president.

-"He was a draft dodger."-
At least he did join then abandon the armed forces, right? I mean, come on? Really this makes him closer to many of the people of that era.

-"He paid $800,000 to settle a sexual harassment claim."-
I'll focus on the claims in office. Two claims of sexual misconduct on the part of Bill Clinton were alleged by Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick (referred to as Jane Doe #5 by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr), during the Clinton administration. Neither claim was proven in a court of law; neither claim ever resulted in charges being made. In the Willey case no charges were brought and with regard to a sexual allegation by Broaddrick, the Arkansas statute of limitations had long since expired, and Broaddrick's only sworn statement was a denial of the allegations she subsequently made.

-"And illegal immigration increased dramatically under his administration, with 15 million new undocumented illegal immigrants, some of which took parts in the 9/11 attacks."-
This just isn't true. Bill, in his second term, increased border patrol and attempted to change the immigration policy. This was a battle issue against the congress. And Bill, unfortunately, lost.

Seeing as I'm out of "Characters Remaining," I'll pass it off to you.
Debate Round No. 1
ReaganConservative

Con

Alright bud, you keep mentioning other government officials and former presidents and their scandals, but we're talking about Bill Clinton right now. Ok? I didn't say he merely fired the most people, I said his administration had the greatest number of associates who either pleaded the Fifth, fled the country, went to jail, or died mysteriously.

Now about the "sexual escapade"
The sexual acts between President Clinton and Lewinsky took place in the Oval Office (paid for by taxpayers' money). Not only that, Clinton attempted to use his political power to fix a court case where he was the lone defendant. He tried to fix the Jones' court case by persuading witnesses to lie about his relationship with Lewinsky, claiming at first she had only delivered "pizza to the president." He also made calls to Betty Curry, his secretary, asking her to hide gifts he had previously purchased for Lewinsky. He lied about the nature of his relationship with Lewinsky--before the tapes and her "blue dress" stained with his semen. He then asked other witnesses to lie on his behalf in front of the Grand Jury--both of which are federal crimes.

As the Chief Executive of the United States, Clinton had the sacred and sworn obligation to protect, defend and uphold the Constitution and laws of our country. Because the president is entrusted with seeing the laws of our country are faithfully and properly executed, any breach of that duty and obligation by the president himself can have disastrous consequences for the entire country.

In 1996, U.S. ally Qatar offered bin Laden to the U.S. as he and 150 of his top aides and family were refueling on their way to Pakistan. Clinton said "let him land and proceed on to Pakistan."

Clinton himself admitted, during a speech in Long Island, that he turned down an offer by Sudanese authorities to have bin Laden extradited in 1996
-In December 1998, intelligence reports showed that bin Laden was in Kandahar, Afghanistan, but no strikes were ordered
-In February 1999, a military strike against bin Laden was aborted
-In May 1999, another opportunity to strike bin Laden was called off
-The last and most likely the best opportunity for targeting bin Laden occurred in Kandahar in May of 1999. CIA assets in Afghanistan reported on bin Laden's location in and around Kandahar over the course of five days and nights. The report was very detailed and came from several sources. Communications were good and the cruise missiles were ready. A senior military official said "this was our strike zone" He expected the missiles to fly. When the decision came back to stand down, the officer said "we all slumped. Bin Laden should have been a dead man that night."

Clinton should have taken care of bin Laden when he had the chance. I am not saying 9/11 was his fault at all, but it could have been prevented.

I'm surprised you didn't mention his "amazing surplus." I will concede the economy grew rapidly under Clinton, however, there was no clear correlation between his economic policies of raising taxes and the strong economy. The strong economic growth and surplus was the result of the technology boom, which Ronald Reagan's marginal tax rate cuts almost a decade earlier initially stimulated, in turn fueling massive risk-taking and capital investment in the private sector. Entrepreneurs and risk takers, such as Bill Gates and Jerry Yang, aided the '90's boom, despite the 1993 Clinton tax hikes on social security payments and marginal rates on income. If anything, the private sector was able to flourish in spite of the tax increases and multitude of new regulations the Clinton administration imposed. The only major pieces of legislation which stimulated the economy during the Clinton administration were welfare reform and the lowering of the capital gains tax in 1998, both of which were sponsored by the GOP-controlled Congress. Republicans in Congress were also primarily responsible for minimizing spending growth during the majority of the Clinton years in office. The 1996 Republican Congress created the Welfare legislation which Clinton reluctantly signed into law that, as Clinton said, "ended welfare as we know it today." As for the surplus, Clinton was the beneficiary of the "peace dividend" created when Ronald Reagan won the Cold War. The ball is in your court now bud.
Spencerific

Pro

You must take into consideration the deeds of other presidents. Otherwise, how do you say what is "Good" or "Bad." The argument of Good and Bad is all perspective. Did things get better or worse than they were before? So, I will continue to put Clinton's actions into perspective by aligning them with actions of other presidents who others say were "great."

First of all, he hasn't fired the most people than any other president in history, lets get that down. Second, pleading the Fifth can not be put against another person, it is a constitutional right and is alloted to every citizen. Third, Ken Starr and several other hostile, well-funded prosecutors and committees investigated Clinton. Starr himself ruled Vincent Foster's death a suicide, and Starr had custody of James McDougal, who died of a heart attack in prison. So unless you think Ken Starr is in on Clinton's murderous conspiracy, these deaths don't make sense. Some of the entries are even more absurd. One version of the list includes someone who died in a one-man skiing accident. So what is Clinton supposed to have done, planted the tree 20 years earlier? And the list has grown to include random deaths popular among conspiracy fans, such as Danny Casolaro (an investigative reporter who targeted George Bush much more than Clinton) and William Colby (CIA director under Nixon and Ford). Only the most tenuous of threads connect either to Clinton, while each had much more obvious (and effective) enemies.

Now about the "sexual escapade"
Clinton made a bad decision. He then used his power to try and save his family and administration the embarrassment of that scandal. What should have done? Admitted it. Or even better, not done it in the first place. I admit he made a bad choice, but I don't see how an intern giving a guy a blowjob negates Bill Clinton's entire presidency. It shows he had a weak moment in his life and made a mistake. I'm glad we aren't held to the same standards.

Bill Clinton did uphold the constitution. He never undermined the constitution (unlike others holding the same office today). He broke laws, but he held up our rights and liberties afforded to us by that constitution. And I'll say this, No one died when Clinton Lied.

Clinton perhaps failed or missed an opportunity to attack a man whom, at the time, wasn't a public threat or even known by most of the public. I can't even imagine the sort of potential consequences each decision had to be weighed against. I can not refute that he didn't not kill or capture bin Ladin, but then again he tried harder than others did. And I know you think "well this isn't about other presidents," but it really is. Clinton did the right thing in attempting to reduce al Qaeda influence in the middle east. He gathered vast amounts of information on the organization and its leaders and layed it at George Bush's feet. Unfortunately, George Bush did not act of 9 months. Now, if that information had lead to the thwarting of 9/11, because of the information given to Bush, would you be blaming Clinton for not killing bin Ladin? In my opinion, if you look at a larger view of the situation, Clinton did more to locate, track, and know about al Qaeda than any other president. I would also go as far as to say he was the most aware of their influence.

First, Regan did not win the cold war. The USSR's lack of economic development, political stagnation, and consuming depression won the cold war. I do not deny that Regan was a good president in a foreign relations aspect with the USSR, but he did not "win" the cold war.

Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month. In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years. As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers. President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction. The deficit went down for 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was president. Now, I do not disagree that Reganomics (though I do not believe is the best system) was responsible for the opportunity the Clinton administration had to make rapid increases in the economy. I believe Clinton, and his advisers, knew with the correct stimulation the economy would explode, so he did just that. Reduced inflation, increased the middle class (the backbone of our economic system), reduced taxes against new business, reduced our deficit, and strengthened the dollar worldwide. Regan did his part to help the technology boom, and he had a very different global situation to deal with than Clinton did, so I do not compare the two. But Clinton's economic initiatives did their part in helping the American economy.

Now, lets look at some other things...
The President signed into law the Brady Bill, which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases so that background checks can be done to help keep handguns away from criminals. The President's Crime Bill put 100,000 new police officers on the street. The Crime Bill punished criminals by expanding the number of offenses eligible for the death penalty and implementing the "three-strikes-and-you're-out" provision, and, the Bill banned the manufacture of 19 specific types of deadly assault weapons, while simultaneously protecting hunters' rights by exempting over 650 hunting rifles.

President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act. The law, which covers over 42 million Americans, offers workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-guaranteed leave for child birth, adoption, or personal or family illness. President Clinton expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit to cut the taxes of 15 million working families with incomes of $27,000 or less. President Clinton granted waivers to 25 states -- half the nation -- providing for comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations. President Clinton ordered the U.S. Justice Department to conduct the first-ever crackdown on deadbeat parents who refuse to accept financial responsibility for their own children. Signed an Executive Order cracking down on federal employees who owe child support.

President Clinton cut the federal bureaucracy by more than 100,000 positions, and, he reduced the White House staff by 25 percent.

He helped Israel and Jordan achieve an historic peace treaty and Israel and the Palestinians fulfill their historic accord, contributed to an historic cease-fire in Northern Ireland, and restored democratically elected Haitian President Aristide to power. President Clinton undertook, with NATO allies and UN, military and diplomatic actions to alleviate the suffering and lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace agreement in Bosnia.

Russian nuclear missiles are no longer pointed at our cities thanks to Clinton. He persuaded Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to give up the nuclear weapons left on their land when the Soviet Union collapsed. Agreed to framework with North Korea that freezes and leads to the eventual elimination of North Korea's dangerous nuclear program and he led the international effort to secure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) further reducing the danger of nuclear proliferation around the world, and air-lifted more than half a ton of vulnerable, highly enriched uranium, enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs from Kazakhstan to safe storage.

I am out of words, so I'll stop there.
Debate Round No. 2
ReaganConservative

Con

Let me tell you why President Bush couldn't do anything about bin Laden while he was in office before 9/11. Under the Clinton Justice Department, Assistant Attorney General Jamie Gorelick played a pivitol role in erecting a "wall of separation" between the CIA and FBI, something which significantly weakened the CIA's ability to gather vital intelligence information on terrorists involved in 9/11. The Bush Administration would receive reports containing information such as "A few men were seen walking near an American embassy in Saudi Arabia." The Bush Administration knew an attack was bound to happen, they just didn't know where, when, or how, and that is because of the Clinton Administration.

U.S. citizens paid the government more in taxes after eight years of Clinton. He and the Democrats raised taxes on the backs of social security recipients and unsuccessfully attempted to place one-seventh of thhe economy under the control of the federal government (Hillary Care). There were more federal regulations and bureaucracy after his presidency, including thousands of regulations on individual small businesses and large corporations.

The environment suffered as well. Forest fires throughout the West caused massive economic and environmental devastation because they spread so fast--a result of Clinton's policy toward logging. The dead and dried brush which fuels forest fires could not be cleared because his administration declared 58 million acres in 39 states off limits. That meant roads couldn't be built on those 58 million ares, which in turn meant firefighters didn't have fast acces to battle the fires which started from the dried brush.

Clinton vetoed tort reform, giving the green light to his trial lawyer cronies and contributors so they could bring lawsuits against private businesses such as tobacco companies, Microsoft and SUV manufacturers.

That's all I got. Take it or leave it.
Spencerific

Pro

Since you've refused to rebut your previous talking points, I'll take a moment to tell you a few things that make him a good president.

Under the President's Direct Student Loan program, students could borrow money directly from the government at a lower interest rate and with many flexible repayment options, including the option to repay with a percentage of their after-graduation salary. Taxpayers saved at least $4.3 billion over five years.

In 1994, over 20,000 AmeriCorps members tutored students, immunized children, reclaimed urban parks, and patrolled neighborhoods. In return, they earned $4,725 per year of service towards college tuition or job training.

President Clinton's Safe and Drug Free Schools and Community Act and the Safe Schools Act provide funding to schools to fight violence and drug abuse. Schools used up to 25 percent of their funds to purchase metal detectors, develop safe zones, and hire school security personnel.

The President's School-to-Work program provided venture capital to spark a nationwide system for moving America's young people from high school to a job with a future. In 1994, all states received planning funds for their school-to-work program.

Charter School legislation signed by President Clinton encourages states and localities to set up public school choice.

Under President Clinton, the EPA launched its "Common Sense Initiative" to make health protection cheaper and smarter by focusing on results rather than one-size-fits-all regulations.

The President's Northwest Forest Plan put communities in the Northwest back to work, while conserving ancient forests.

President Clinton hosted the signing of the Israeli-Palestinian Declaration of Principles in September, 1993, and the signing of the Israeli-Jordan Washington Principles in July, 1994 -- historic agreements between the leaders of Israel and her Arab neighbors to settle differences by peaceful means.

To enhance European security and stability, the Clinton Administration proposed the Partnership for Peace program, offering former Soviet republics and Central/East European states closer ties with NATO.

President Clinton peacefully restored democracy to Haiti, curbing the violence that threatened tens of thousands of Haitians, securing our borders, and upholding our commitments and the commitments made to us in the process.

-Signed the Economic Package, August 10, 1993.
-The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.
-Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.
-Increased Head Start funding by almost $760 million.
-Passed the Student Loan Reform Act, August 10, 1993.
-Implemented the National Service Act, September 21, 1993.
-Signed the Goals 2000: Educate America Act, March 31, 1994.
-Enacted the School-to-Work Opportunities Act on May 4, 1994.
-Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act Reauthorization
-Passed the toughest most comprehensive Crime Bill ever, September 13, 1994
-Signed the Brady Bill, November 30, 1993.
-Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban as part of the Crime Bill.
-Put 100,000 new police on the street -- nearly 31,000 more officers have been funded.
-Signed the Violence Against Women Act as part of the Crime Bill.
-Signed the Safe and Drug-Free Schools Act, October 20, 1994.
-Issued Presidential Directive enforcing a "Zero Tolerance" gun policy in schools, October 22, 1994
-Submitted and fought for the most comprehensive Drug Control budget ever.
-Cut the Federal Workforce by over 200,000
-Abolished 16,000 pages of obsolete regulations and rewriting 31,000 more pages.
-Eliminated 284 federal advisory committees.
-Developed government-wide Customer Service Standards for the first time.
-Appointed one of the most diverse Cabinet and Administrations in history.
-Signed the most important federal procurement act ever to streamline government purchasing.
-Reformed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to protect 8.5 million pensions.
-Signed the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act, March 22, 1995.
-Created nine Economic Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities.
-Signed the Community Development Banking Financial Institutions Act, Sept. 23, 1994.
-Signed the Interstate Banking Bill, September 29, 1994.
-Instituted the Defense Reinvestment and Conversion Initiative.
-Reformed the Community Reinvestment Act to focus on performance rather than paperwork.
-Made the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and Mortgage Revenue Bond Program permanent.
-Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.
-Launched "reinventing environmental regulation" to cut red tape and better protect public health.
-Issued a new standard to cut pollution from chemical plants 90% by 1997.
-Signed executive orders to increase recycling and cut pollution in federal buildings.
-Signed the California Desert Protection Act, October 31, 1994.
-Issued a new standard to cut pollution from incinerators 95%.
-Introduced comprehensive Safe Drinking Water and Superfund reforms.
-Developed a plan to restore Florida's Everglades.
-Ended decades of conflict over the allocation of California Bay-Delta water.
-Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, February 5, 1993.
-Signed a comprehensive Child Immunization Plan.
-Revoked the Reagan/Bush restrictions on abortion counseling ("the gag rule"), abortions in military hospitals, "Mexico City" policy and RU-486 imports.
-Increased Ryan White CARE Act funding for outpatient AIDS care over 100% in first 3 budgets.
-Put the Women, Infants and Children Program (WIC) on a full-funding path.
-Increased funding 65% for breast cancer research.
-As part of the balanced budget plan, introduced health care reform initiative which strengthens Medicare and expands coverage.
-Proposed a $1.3 billion increase in veterans' benefits -- of which $1 billion will be directed to the VA health system to provide treatment for 43,000 more veterans.
-Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit providing tax relief for 15 million working families.
-Introduced the Work and Responsibility Act - comprehensive welfare reform.
-Passed the Family Support and Preservation Program.
-Passed major funding increases for homeless programs in both Houses.
-Approved 35 waivers to states permitting comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.
-Collected a record $10 billion in child support through enforcement in 1994.
-Signed the Social Security Independent Agency Act.
-Increased adoption and foster care funds by almost $600 million from 1994-1995.
-Signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter), May 20, 1993.
-Eliminated the tax deduction for lobbying expenses.
-Imposed strictest Administration ethics guidelines in history.
-Barred top officials from becoming foreign lobbyists after leaving government.
-Signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 -- the first overhaul of lobbying rules in 50 years.
-Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act, January 22, 1995.
-Fought for passage of line-item veto and campaign finance.
-Secured free-trade commitments from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders.

I could keep going, but I'm almost out of words. And as for Hillary Care, does it say something that over half the country now wants universal health care? Does it also say something that there is a group called "Republicans for Clinton." He was a bipartisan president that improved domestic issues, improved our standing throughout the world, and secured foreign interests responsibly and with great effectiveness. He really was a very good president.

As always,
Best,
Spencer
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Spencerific 9 years ago
Spencerific
Ah, Hate to butt in, but I would like to point out when people were polled about their specific representative/senator democrats were, on average, held at about 40-50 percent approval. Don't know about the Republicans, or Joe Lieberman. :P

Just keeping it real.

Best,
Spencerific
Posted by ReaganConservative 9 years ago
ReaganConservative
And your Democrat-controlled Congress has an 11% approval rating...nobody's perfect. Read my post in this debate that explains where Clinton got his surplus from. And another thing, do you have to be such a dick? It's really annoying and childish.
Posted by blond_guy 9 years ago
blond_guy
"Numbers are intellectual witnesses that belong only to mankind"

-Balzac

Okay so let's take a look at the numbers... Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. It's a shame you can't say the same for your favorite president ReaganConservative, he left with 63%. Not to mention our current president, who you support who looks like he's leaving office with a 25% approval rating. Not to mention the money in the bank left in this country by Bill Clinton, while Bush is leaving us with trillions of debt.
Posted by afeinberg 9 years ago
afeinberg
The word "good" has a controversial definition. Certainly when the current administration lowers the standards to the extent that they have, I'd say any president from Ford to Clinton was good.
Posted by Spencerific 9 years ago
Spencerific
Hey ineffablesquirrel, thanks!! :]
Posted by Ineffablesquirrel 9 years ago
Ineffablesquirrel
Spencerific is amazing. =)
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