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Was Medea responsible for her actions?

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Started: 5/9/2015 Category: Philosophy
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AMusarra

Pro

PRO

1)Anger is a strongly negative emotional feeling of annoyance, displeasure or hostility.
2)Medea has killed her children by her own hands.
3)Medea"s children were innocent and did not do anything to offend their mother
4)Not only is infanticide murder but one of the worst sins imaginable to kill your own children.
5)Killing is wrong no matter what the circumstances.
6)Medea could have stopped her anger as soon as it started according to Seneca.
7)Just because her husband made her angry, Medea did not have to kill her children. She could have found other ways to retaliate and so it was her choice.
8)Medea knew it was wrong to kill her children.
9)Medea went back and forth between deciding to kill her children and feeling sorry for them.
10)Therefore, Medea is responsible for her own actions when killing her children.

Non- Controversial 1-4. 1 is agreed definition of anger. 2 is agreed on as an event that happened. 4 is agreed that infanticide is one of the worst sins.
Controversial 3, 5-10
3 " Medea"s children did not have any responsibility
5- killing is never morally acceptable
6- it is possible to let go of anger or diffuse it
7- it was not necessary to kill her children to punish Jason.
8- Medea appears to know the difference between right and wrong.
9- Medea did go between feeling compassion and then having resolve to go through with the murders.
LMWordy

Con

1)Anger is a strongly negative emotional feeling of annoyance, displeasure or hostility.
2)Medea has killed her children by her own hands.
3)Medea"s children became the object of their mother"s anger because they were born of their father who was the cause of Medea"s anger " this took away their complete innocence in the situation as they had an element of Jason in them.
4)Not only is infanticide murder but one of the worst sins imaginable to kill your own children.
5)There are some times when killing is justifiable.
6)Medea was unable to stop her anger once it started and this is actually supported by the arguments of Seneca, who says about anger "once it has begun to carry us off course, the return to safety is difficult."
7)Medea could find no other way to retaliate against her husband that would actually be severe enough.
8)Medea was out of her mind with rage and could envision no other way to resolve her feelings, even though she would hurt herself too.
9)Medea did have inner conflict between wanting to kill her children and not wanting to, that stopped her a couple of times but her anger forced her to make the wrong choice.
10)Therefore, Medea was not responsible for her actions

Non- Controversial: 1,2 4
Controversial 3, 5-7
3- The children had inborn responsibility because Jason was their father
5 - There are times, such as self- defense, when killing is justifiable.
6 " Medea was already consumed by her anger and not able to control it as Seneca says about anger.
7 " Medea had no alternative punishment
8 " Medea was not rational because of her rage
9 " Because she was not rational, she was not able to make the right choice although she considered it.
Debate Round No. 1
AMusarra

Pro

PRO

1)Agreed. This is an agreed upon definition of anger.
2)It is known that Medea is the person who killed her children.
3)Disagreed, Medea"s children were still innocent. Even though they had an element of their father"s genes they did not willingly do anything to make this happen. We can"t choose who our parents are or whether or not to be born.
4)It is agreed that killing your own children is one of the worst sins that can be committed.
5)There are times when killing may be justified, such as when you are defending yourself and it may end up that your attacker ends up dead during the self-defense. However, this is not the case with Medea and it is more like premeditated murder because she definitely thought about it before she did it.
6)Seneca says once it carries us away, we can"t stop anger but we should stop it before it gets to that point. Medea could have stopped her anger before it got to the point where she committed murdering her children.
7)Medea could have found other ways to retaliate. She could have killed Jason himself, or had someone else do it. Also, she had already killed the king and his daughter, she did not have to sacrifice her own children.
8)Medea was aware she would be hurting herself because she says so, but it was more important to her to get her revenge on Jason. She was not completely out of her mind with anger because she realizes the consequences, but makes the choice to ignore the consequences.
9)In the end Medea made a choice. She had free will to ignore her anger and do the right thing.
LMWordy

Con

3) Continue to disagree " Although Medea"s children did not ask to have an element of their father in them, it was that part of their very being that made them the perfect tool in carrying out revenge and causing the most hurt to Jason.
5) Medea perfectly justified the killing of her children because part of the reason was she felt it would be better for them to be dead than to have the life they would be leading in the future. She did not want them to be left for her enemies to insult and torture.
6) Medea could not just put a stop to her anger because she could not be seen as a coward to her enemies. Once she needed to continue her anger to appear strong, she was then swept away with it and it became a monster that was beyond her control.

7) In Medea"s mind Jason would not have enough punishment until he had to lose everything and everyone he cared about and then have to continue on living. To have killed Jason would have been too kind and not a punishment.
8) If one is to the point where they will hurt themselves to hurt another, this is not rational thought or action.
9) It does not seem that Medea was able to make any rational choices even though she was aware of the consequences. Her anger had become like a drug that would make her satisfy her need for revenge at even the greatest cost, and she was not rationally in control of her actions.
Debate Round No. 2
AMusarra

Pro

PRO

5) Killing one"s children is never justified. A mother should never say "they would be better off dead"!! There are always alternatives, she could have taken them away to another land and protected them. Her justification was about herself not wanting her enemies to be able to hurt her through her children, not about actually protecting her children.
6) Medea could have become humble. It"s understandable she didn"t want to look weak but not at the cost of sacrificing her children for her pride.
7) The idea that Jason would not have been punished enough by dying himself is absurd. Death is the ultimate punishment. Medea made a choice by killing her chidren, it wasn"t unescapable.
8) Medea was rational because she stopped herself a couple of times and told herself she couldn"t do it, then she ended up making the choice to kill her children with the complete awareness it wasn"t right.
9) Unlike being drugged, Medea was under the influence but it was something she could control if she wanted to. Instead she felt pleasure in inflicting pain on Jason by killing their children.
LMWordy

Con

5) When a person is stressed this much, they often feel as though there are no alternatives. Medea was to the point where she felt she had no alternatives to the action and this was her mental state.
6) I would concede this point that one"s pride should not drive one to murder.
7)For Medea, death wouldn"t have been the ultimate punishment for Jason, because she wanted him to suffer eternally, not have it end.
8) Medea was not in a rational state of mind. Even though she could feel some compassion for her children, her need to punish Jason overwhelmed her.
9) Whether or not she took pleasure in punishing Jason, it"s pretty clear she did not take any pleasure in murdering her children.
Debate Round No. 3
AMusarra

Pro

PRO

1)Anger is a strongly negative emotional feeling of annoyance, displeasure or hostility.
2)Medea has killed her children by her own hands.
3)Medea"s children were innocent and did not do anything to offend their mother
4)Not only is infanticide murder but one of the worst sins imaginable to kill your own children.
5)Killing is wrong no matter what the circumstances.
6)Medea killed her children because of pride and this is unacceptable.
7)Medea could have stopped her anger as soon as it started according to Seneca.
8)Just because her husband made her angry, Medea did not have to kill her children. She could have found other ways to retaliate and so it was her choice.
9)Medea knew it was wrong to kill her children.
10)Medea went back and forth between deciding to kill her children and feeling sorry for them, which showed she knew the consequences and was capable of rational thought.
11)Therefore, Medea is responsible for her own actions when killing her children.
LMWordy

Con

1)Anger is a strongly negative emotional feeling of annoyance, displeasure or hostility.
2)Medea has killed her children by her own hands.
3)Medea"s children became the object of their mother"s anger because they were born of their father who was the cause of Medea"s anger " this took away their complete innocence in the situation as they had an element of Jason in them.
4)Not only is infanticide murder but one of the worst sins imaginable to kill your own children.
5)There are some times when killing is justifiable, if there is no alternative.
6)Medea was unable to stop her anger once it started and this is actually supported by the arguments of Seneca, who says about anger "once it has begun to carry us off course, the return to safety is difficult."
7)Medea could find no other way to retaliate against her husband that would actually be severe enough.
8)Medea was out of her mind with rage and could envision no other way to resolve her feelings, even though she would hurt herself too.
9)Medea did have inner conflict between wanting to kill her children and not wanting to, that stopped her a couple of times but her anger forced her to make the wrong choice.
10)Medea"s state of mind made her incapable of rational thought.
11)Therefore, Medea was not responsible for her actions in killing her children.
Debate Round No. 4
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