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21MolonLabe
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cho123
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Was the American Revolution Justified?

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21MolonLabe
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/5/2015 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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21MolonLabe

Pro

1st Round - Acceptance
2nd Round - Arguments
3rd Round - Rebuttals
4th Round - Conclusions

I made this debate impossible to accept. Please leave a comment if you want to debate this.
Debate Round No. 1
21MolonLabe

Pro

I would like to thank con for accepting this debate. Now to my argument.

As Stated in the Declaration of Independence States:

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

As you can see, there were plenty of reasons for the colonists to rebel.

http://www.archives.gov...
cho123

Con

It wasn't justified, because it was against God's will.
Debate Round No. 2
21MolonLabe

Pro

I would again like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate.

You claim that it is not justifiable as it is against the will of God. However, that is a false statement. I will use the Bible and Historical Events to present my case.

The Bible says that Israel will be established as a new nation, after being in captivity.

This Captivity was the Holocaust. Israel was established as a new nation in 1948, after the end of WWII.

Had it not been for the U.S. greatly assisting in the defeat of the Axis, there might not have been Israel. Also, in U.N meetings, the U.S. was a major advocate of the establishment of Israel as a nation. Thus, the U.S. helped fulfill Biblical Prophesy, therefore, it is the will of God.
cho123

Con

cho123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
21MolonLabe

Pro

Since con's account is closed, I will make this short.

There are a few arguments that I meant to address earlier. They slipped my mind until now. So I will state those now.

Even though the Magna Carta prohibited external taxes, the Sugar Act was passed, which was an external tax.


The Declatory Act was a outright violation of the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights of 1689. The Declatory Act stated that Parliament was sovereign over the Colonies in all cases. This meant that Parliament could pass any law, even if it violated the colonists' rights.



Section 40 of the Magna Carta, when translated into the English language, states "To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice." What happened to Captain Nathan Hale? He did not have a fair trial, as guaranteed in the previous statement. This was not an isolated case. John Adams was placed on a list of people who were to be hanged if they were captured. Luckily for him, he was never captured.


http://www.sparknotes.com...

John Adams
by David McCullough

http://www.constitution.org...

cho123

Con

cho123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DudeHouse 1 year ago
DudeHouse
There's a lot of good points as reason for rebellion, but they're just claims influential colonists made. Whether they are true or not is what the debate is for.
Posted by mrpilotgamer 1 year ago
mrpilotgamer
guys, his accounts closed. he wont be back.
Posted by 21MolonLabe 1 year ago
21MolonLabe
Actually, My A.P. History class had a debate on this subject earlier in the year and the "Patriots" used the DOI as the basis of their arguments, which the teacher recommended that they use, and they won.
Posted by DudeHouse 1 year ago
DudeHouse
Your argument is the Declaration of Independence? Looks like someone just passed 5th grade history class.
Posted by 21MolonLabe 1 year ago
21MolonLabe
@Voice

We get it.
My hands get ahead of my brain on occasion when I am typing.
Posted by The-Voice-of-Truth 1 year ago
The-Voice-of-Truth
I did not know that you could be fond trolls, much less not fond trolls... whatever that means.
Posted by The-Voice-of-Truth 1 year ago
The-Voice-of-Truth
He is not fond trolls.
Posted by 21MolonLabe 1 year ago
21MolonLabe
You are able to accept it now if you want to.
Posted by DudeHouse 1 year ago
DudeHouse
I'll debate you on this. I read a few convincing articles that said it was mostly the fault of rich colonial fat cats sending poor country boys to die so they wouldn't have to report to Britain.
Posted by 21MolonLabe 1 year ago
21MolonLabe
Long story short, I am not fond trolls.
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