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Was the U.S justified in WW1?

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Started: 1/27/2016 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DonaldDuck1

Con

WW1 was a war in which many nations took place but many countries did not have a reason to. The main country I wish to talk about today is the United States. Many people think of this as a misguided topic and has no reason to be debated. But things would have been different if the US didn't join and I think the world would have been better.
My first point to talk about for the beginning of this debate is what was going on. The main big reason it all started was the assassination of the Arch Duke of Austria-Hungary by a person from Serbia. Austria-Hungary took this personally and declared war. Russia wishing to aid its ally in a war declared war on Austria-Hungary. Germany also wanting to help its ally declared war on Russia. This then caused France to declare war starting the whole war. UK got involved when Germany moved into Belgium to attack France. The US declared war many years later after the Germans started using submarine warfare and doing other things. The US was just being childish and really had no reason because they were not affected at all by this war.
IncorrigibleRogue

Pro

World War I was a brutal war that overall shouldn't have happened. However, the reaction of the United States was both reasonable and pragmatic. In this debate, I will seek to prove that the US entry was not the cause of WWI's destructive nature, nor was the USA's mobilization unjustified. The US was as much affected by the war as any other nation that fought.
Debate Round No. 1
DonaldDuck1

Con

I agree that the war shouldn't have happened but pre WW1 the US had no reason to enter anything with foreign nations. At the time the US believed in Isolationism meaning they want to be isolated from foreign affairs. After they joined the war they were affected but that's besides to point because they had no reason to join in the first place. The USA joined the war because of the Zimmerman telegram and unrestricted submarine warfare as the main reasons. But the Zimmerman telegram was directed to Mexico to join the war if the USA declared war. The message never reached Mexico so the USA really had no reason to hate Germany besides the fact that they tried. The submarine warfare was to break the UK blockade blocking Germany from the rest of the world via sea. They may have accidentally sunk cruise liners with American passengers but the UK was also disturbing trade that was going on. Rightfully I state they were not Justified and also say even if they were the Allies also did some things that should have provoked America.
IncorrigibleRogue

Pro

Germany declared Unrestricted Submarine Warfare with the knowledge that civilian casualties were probable. The central premise of Unrestricted Submarine Warfare was to sink anything that was going to Britain. The Zimmerman Telegram was indeed nominally hypothetical, but it was made with the knowledge that the US would declare war. Germany torpedoed neutral ships constantly, the Lusitania was not the only ship sunk. The Germans gambled that they could starve Britain before America brought their war machine to bear, they were wrong.
Information paraphrased from Spencer Tucker, The Great War, 1914"18 (1997) p. 133
Debate Round No. 2
DonaldDuck1

Con

Still you show no reason why they should be justified. The only info you show if that Germany is in the wrong. The issues really had nothing to do with the United States and I believe this because it didn't affect them in many ways besides the fact that they didn't like it and they lost a few people. The allies were basically doing the same thing as the germans but in a different form. They blockaded and ruined trade between the US and Germany. Also the allies were the main reason the war started. Germany was just trying to help a long been friend. While the allies were too drawn to honor that they wanted to fight so they didn't ruin relations and that was the only purpose. But the US had no reason to enter nothing really provoked them much besides Germany ruined a treaty they signed. That was the sole reason they declared war. That personally is a horrible reason. US is in the wrong and so are the rest of the Allies. Vote Con if you believe whats right. I look forward for your info.

(This is from my own knowledge no sources used)
IncorrigibleRogue

Pro

The US was clearly in the right here. They "didn't like... losing a few people" because who would? These are people's lives we're talking about, losing a few is important. The allies did have a blockade around Germany and US ships were indeed inconvenienced; the allies were turning ships back, not sinking them left right and centre. A nation does have the right to defend itself and this is one of the few times America was actually attacked first. The Allies turned the war from a small regional dispute into The Great War, true, but that doesn't change the fact that Germany prevoked America into joining in. Even with this in mind, it's difficult to deny that Germany was trying to help an old friend impose its will on a country that posed little threat to it. The Serbian government was being held responsible for the actions of a group of rogue terrorists after all. The US was clearly responding to the threat posed by Germany to US interests and, by any consistent standard, acted reasonably. I'd like to thank the voters for their time and I look forward to the results.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: LostintheEcho1498// Mod action: Removed<

5 points to Pro (Arguments, Sources). Reasons for voting decision: I give this to Pro as he did give an argument for why the U.S. was justified and the only rebuttal apparent to me was that Con was trying to say there weren't enough casualties to justify war.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn't explain sources. (2) The voter doesn't do enough to explain why Pro won the debate via arguments. The voter has to give some specific point on which Pro is winning this debate, and not just state Con's failings.
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Posted by DonaldDuck1 1 year ago
DonaldDuck1
You need to look up your history. The USA was not attacked at all.
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