The Instigator
TheCalmOne
Pro (for)
Losing
38 Points
The Contender
redbrave70
Con (against)
Winning
41 Points

Water Boarding is Terrorism.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/5/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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TheCalmOne

Pro

redbrave70 has challenged my intellectual level. Since he supports water boarding, but is in favor of the war on terrorism, I would like to hear how water boarding is NOT terrorism.

Terrorism - the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
*http://dictionary.reference.com...
redbrave70

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My opponent has asked me to explain to him how waterboarding is NOT terrorism. His definition of terrorism states, that terrorism is the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Waterboarding is the physical experience of being underneath a wave of water, the person's mind believes he is drowning, and his gag reflex kicks in as if he were choking on all that water falling on his face. There is no violence, or threats, just the natural bodily function to react to a situation of drowning. In many setups of waterboarding no water ever even enters the mouth or nose of the one being interrogated. It is an extremely useful method that does not use bodily pain or violence to retain information that can be crucial towards preventing ACTUAL terrorism (you know like blowing up buildings) and intelligence for our troops. Waterboarding is NOT terrorism because it is a controlled non-violent source of information through creative interrogation.
Debate Round No. 1
TheCalmOne

Pro

I feel very sorry for you if you do not consider being underneath a wave of water, believing that you are drowning, and gaging while underwater violent.

Violence -
1. swift and intense force
2. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment

The wave of water is the swift and intense force. Actually being under the water after a wave covers you is also swift and intense force. Gaging, underwater or above water, is the rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment definition. Gaging is pretty rough and definitely physical. If the terrorist refuses to give information, they may gag multiple times. Everybody knows that after you gag up everything you have, theres nothing left to throw up, therefore resulting in a dry heave. Dry heaving is extremely rough.

http://dictionary.reference.com...

I proved my case to the greatest extent. Vote pro.
redbrave70

Con

You are not actually "underneath a wave of water", in fact water is poured onto a towel placed on your face, which creates the feeling of drowning which in turn causes the body to react, naturally. Yes I know what violence is, I also know that blowing up buildings, the use of IED's (improvised explosive device) to kill innocent non-combatants, beheading's, and suicide bombings are actual violent acts that when performed as planned, will kill those targeted. There are no sources containing information from those who have died from waterboarding (because you are not actually drowned, only simulated) making this an extremely useful non-violent way to get crucial information. The pouring of water is nether swift or intense. The gagging (you are not actually throwing up) that occurs during waterboarding is the reaction to water being simulated down your throat, nothing actually goes down your throat, your mind only thinks it is and reacts. Bodily reactions are not terrorism.

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Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by magpie 6 years ago
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I wonder whether Pro would be against actual torture (water-boarding is not torture). I propose the following hypothetical: Pro sees three sleazy neighbors, that he knows well, (having had many run-ins with them) kidnapping his child. He reports the crime to the police, but without results. While investigating on his own, he encounters one of the bad guys in a remote location. He is told that the other two guys are busy molesting the child, and plan to kill the child this night. Pro is unable to persuade the bad guy to reveal the location where his child is being held. So Pro decides:
1. Since he is averse to violence, he will release the bad guy. or,
2. He will take the bad guy to the police, while the other two bad guys are molesting his child and are likely to kill his child in short order. or,
3. He will forsake his principled stand against torture, because, really, this is different: "I mean this is my child we're talking about."
If he chooses 1 or 2, I'll endorse his principles, but his child will, likely, not.
If he chooses 3, then he reveals himself to be a hypocrite, albeit a human one.
Posted by redbrave70 7 years ago
redbrave70
hahahaha nice voting TheCalmOne
Posted by redbrave70 7 years ago
redbrave70
This process is also used to be able to obtain information quickly, non violently, and efficiently. As the video states, "look how long he lasts". If he can only last that long with no harm done then the interrogation technique is extremely successful in obtaining information. If all information that is needed or is known through the person being interrogated then he/she will be released a lot faster then someone who may be "asked nicely". The days of old are over, stop living in the past and wake up to reality, we are being targeted by countries who train radicals to blow themselves up in the name of Islam but you have no problem with there practices. For this country to be safe and for your liberties to stay, we must act accordingly. The lives of a few radical terrorist are no match to one American life in my opinion.
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
scottdavene, In World War II, 500,000 enemy combatants were "abducted" (captured on the battlefield), held with minimal due process, and not givn lawyers. Should they all have been released? Torture is defined legally by Congress. That definition required permanent harm. If it produced permanent harm, no one would volunteer to try it, as the video showed a guy doing.
Posted by scottdavene 7 years ago
scottdavene
Yeah! Because it shouldn't be okay to abduct people, illegally torture them for years without due process, and not have to tell anybody about what we did to them. What kind of Nazis could be in favor of that! Thank all that is righteous for the ACLU! There is no more freedom in this country, but they keep trying anyway. Take a look at this: http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com...
Posted by redbrave70 7 years ago
redbrave70
lol david can you explain your vote?
Posted by redbrave70 7 years ago
redbrave70
Nor is it violence or terrorism.
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
redbrave70, Because your source for the definition of terrorism was defective, and that was ultimately a fatal error.

Note that Congress defined the word "torture" in legislation, and by that definition, waterboarding was not torture.
Posted by redbrave70 7 years ago
redbrave70
How do you give him points or sources? all he did was define violence and terrorism. Neither of the two apply to waterboarding as I proved.
Posted by twsurber 7 years ago
twsurber
All squares are definitely rectangles, but not all rectangles are definitely squares.

Waterboarding is a form of coercion and torture, but it is not terrorism. It is one of many effective measures used during an "interview" to gleen necessary information and/or cooperation.
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