The Instigator
utahjoker
Pro (for)
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infalliblemind
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Waterboarding is wrong

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utahjoker
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/21/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,819 times Debate No: 27420
Debate Rounds (3)
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utahjoker

Pro

First round is acceptance followed by two rounds of arguing/rebuttal and if a round is forfeited it counts as a forfeit for the whole debate and the other opponent wins.

May the better debater win.
infalliblemind

Con

I accept the burden of proof...

Waterboarding is a form of torture that simulates the feeling of drowning, commonly used by law enforcement and military forces to get information out of someone.

The point of my argument is to negate the word "wrong" and prove that in this case, the subject (waerboarding) is not "wrong"

Knowing this, saying that waterboarding is "wrong" is too broad a term to label it. This is not by any means a factual debate, but a moral debate. That being said moral debates are long, difficult to prove, and often end in insults. (lets hope that doesn't happen here) I will start with an example of why "wrong" does not describe waterboarding.

The definition of wrong (from dictionary.com) is not in accordance with what is morally right or good.

Lets use the holocaust as an example. Your average person would say the holocaust is wrong, but if you ask Adolf Hitler, he would say that the holocaust helped Germany get rich ad exterminate the Jews. From his point of view the holocaust is right.

So what does that mean? It means that one persons idea of the definition of wrong is completely dependent upon ones personal morality. We all know that morality differs from person to person meaning there is not any one universal meaning of the word wrong. Therefore waterboarding could not be considered wrong or right.
Debate Round No. 1
utahjoker

Pro

I don't think my opponent read that the first round is acceptance, but the debate must go on. My opponent brought up that it is a military tactic to get information out of someone and that it is a moral issue as well. I will debate that it is wrong if not only for the torture reasons, but also for the moral reasons. First, the United States has to follow the constitution that is the road map that the United States has to follow. The 14th amendment states that cruel punishment can't be placed on an individual who is in jail or arrested. Second , the information the the United States gains from the individual who has been waterboarded is unfounded, when someone is being tortured they will say anything to end the torture they feel even admit to a crime they never committed. Lastly, it is not moral to cause someone to go through an inhumane practice like the what someone goes through when being waterboarded.

Sources
http://www.usconstitution.net...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
http://www.duhaime.org...
infalliblemind

Con

infalliblemind forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
utahjoker

Pro

Since my opponent forfeited I can't go off anything he said, but I will give more thought on the subject. If the United States is the greatest nation in the world then how can it still be barbaric with torture and more specifically waterboarding. The United States stands for liberty and justice, but no justice can be fair and complete if having to torture someone.

Stop the pain and be the bigger person.
infalliblemind

Con

infalliblemind forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by UltimateSkeptic 4 years ago
UltimateSkeptic
Is there a certain standard you're holding for 'wrong'?
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: Pro for Con's FF. S/G Con for Pro's lack of definitions in the resolution. Con could have easily have defined "waterboarding" as "surfing on water with a board" Arguments: Pro, Con FF, Sources: Pro
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