We are in the 'days of Noah' with 'the blind leading the blind'.
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I have read ALL responses, and they follow the responses I previously received on many Christian forums, in the past. No one, understands or follows the scriptures, properly. Let us look at what the KJV Bible teaches us (The new 'bibles' are not acceptable to God, and the Holy Spirit does NOT recognize them...they are based on human vanity, and have CHANGED the Word of God);
1) The road is very NARROW to heaven, and FEW will travel this road.
2) Many 'Christian' churches teach and practice false doctrines that are OPPOSITE to the scriptures.
3) You will be THROWN OUT OF THE CHURCH, when God gives you the truth, because no one will believe you ("If they threw the master out, they will surely throw you out.")
4) John 14:21-23 tells us that Jesus will MANIFEST himself to His chosen sheep.
5) We WILL RETURN to the days of Noah.
6) The list goes on.........
There are 'millions' who believe in Christ, today. Unfortunately, FEW follow His scriptures properly, or FEAR God. The responses to my postings on the debates I started, prove this. The responses are filled with BLINDNESS to the truth. They are 'all over the map'. It is apparent, that no one CARES to read the Bible and ASK GOD for WISDOM in order to properly understand His Word. Even the Bible warns of 'ever learning but not coming to an understanding', and that God will take the 'wise' in their own 'wisdom' [vanity]. It is also written that 'talebearers' will face the same 'separation from God' as 'the wise'.
If you wish to speak on behalf of God, I would advise you to seek/knock/ask God for WISDOM, before you open your mouth, or write on HIS behalf. The scriptures tell you to do this.
If 'THE WORLD' loves you for what you teach [many will support you and your postings]
then YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN TROUBLE. It is when the the world 'HATES YOU' [disagrees with you] when you teach the truth, that you know you are correct in what you teach.
Pay attention to God's Word, and ask the Holy Spirit to differentiate between 'what you believe', and what the real truth is, no matter how many 'negative' responses from 'the world that you may receive. Make certain that you are, in fact, one of THE FEW who Christ has chosen as His sheep.
I accept this challenge. I preface this by saying I am a Christian who has done a fair amount of reading on the subject of Christianity in general.
I see that much of your argument hinges on the fact that most people don't follow scripture. This might be true. Can I assume that you do follow scripture? That is, literally? After all, in 2nd Peter 1:20 (KJV), it says "...that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." This says that no part of the Bible is up for interpretation. Nada. Zip. Zero.
And if that's true, then you should agree with every law of the Bible: The Ten Commandments, and everything Leviticus says too. Like 19:27, "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard." So, that's a nix on shaving. Or 19:19, "...neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." Man, hope your shirts don't have mixed fabrics. Oh, and these aren't out of context either. But those are just minor things, we shouldn't focus on that. You're right (even though the Bible says you're wrong). How about a more serious subject... hm, what about rape? Lev. 19:20, "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free." Yeah, she was married and raped. Put her to death. But not the guy; it's not really his fault she's married. And you're a literalist, so you kind of have to put her to death, right?
And, you know what, you don't really get to judge other people for what they believe, right? After all, Matthew 7:1- "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged." Everybody knows that one.
"He's slipped!" you think, "for I have an ace in the hole!" Lev. 19:15: "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour." Ah, you got me... but, if you are going with what Leviticus says, then you can't pick-and-choose verses. Wait, hold on a second... did the Bible contradict itself? No... well, maybe a little. Kind of. See, the Bible does contradict itself. Go ahead, check it out: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com... Quite a few, huh?
So, yeah, I might not be a Bible literalist. That's because I cannot, in good conscience, put to death a woman who was raped. I cannot obey one commandment while simultaneously breaking another law of the Bible. It's actually impossible. There is literally nothing to say to defend this. The Bible does err. By the Bible's logic, nobody can get to heaven because it's impossible. So, really, what's the point in trying? I just think being a good person while I'm here makes a difference. If I end up in Hell for that, I guess so be it. But I don't think God's that cruel.
Let us look at a very simple example. If you 'stub your toe', do you immediately thank God for letting Satan tempt you, or does the excruciating pain make you speak one or more 'expletives' (four letter words)? We are warned, that even the 'elect' have to be careful. We are told to not worry about the evil that will come tomorrow, as there is enough evil in the world today that we must face.
Satan is the Prince 'of the world'. He wants to claim EVERYBODY as his follower. He has great powers, in order to tempt us. Our only defence, is our belief and trust in God and His Word. God will only let Satan tempt us, to the point where we 'break'. We ALWAYS have the power to 'turn the other cheek'. If we did not have this power, we would be doomed from the start.
...I've read your response time and time again, and, with the exception of the first paragraph, I can't find how it relates to your original argument at all. I understand how no one's perfect and that we all make mistakes. That actually kind of serves as the basis for my Round One argument. You didn't address anything you or I said about scripture, or about how your opinions are any more valid than any church that you deem unfit to teach scripture.
I gotta ask, did you start this argument with the intent of having a debate, or merely sending a message that holds little ground?
I have nothing else to say except I will forfeit the following round if you can't add anything more to the conversation. I don't want to waste my time doing so.
Thorwald forfeited this round.
Well, that's a fine how-d'ya-do. Vote con.
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