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Niall_McGee27
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Reformist
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We need to fix our southern borders.

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Started: 1/19/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Niall_McGee27

Pro

Look we have people who are overstaying their visas and people who are not doing what they are supposed to when they come over illegally. Look at Kate stinele. She was murdered by a guy who was deported 7 times and just killed Kate in San Francisco . So we need to fix our southern boarder.
Reformist

Con

I accept the debate
Debate Round No. 1
Niall_McGee27

Pro

Our southern border is an absolute disaster to put in the words of Donald trump. We need to build a wall. It will be a great one. He is saying this because he knows the problems with our southern boarder. Now not every immigrant from Mexico is but a majority of them are criminals. I saw an article from the Washington post saying that almost 47% of the immigrants from Mexico are illegals and will do illegal acts. Look this is a big problem and we need to fix it.
Reformist

Con

No our borders are not a complete disaster. And what again is a bad thing about an open border?

Illegal immigrants boost our economy by working for cheap labor AND get paid most likely below minimum wage. Not only that but they pay taxes as well contrary to popular belief

http://mythopedia.mediamatters.org...

Not only this but building a wall is expensive. Lets face it Mexico is not going to pay for the wall and Trump has not come up with any shred of evidence that he can make Mexico pay for it.

Also building a fence would not solve the problem. People will find different ways to get into the country like boats or people who overstay their vistas.

http://mythopedia.mediamatters.org...

Also you list NO sources that 47 percent of immigrants from Mexico are illegals and will do illegal acts....so that has no impact.

It feels to me to be honest that your literally just repeating Trump talking points without listing any sources to back up your claims........like Donald Trump
Debate Round No. 2
Niall_McGee27

Pro

Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.
http://www.foxnews.com...
This shows that they are a problem when they come over illegally.
you say that they are good for the economy. why not LEGAL immigrants. my problem is that the illegal immigration population,
Pew Hispanic Center estimated that the illegal immigrant population from Mexico had reduced to 5.6 million or 49 percent of the illegal immigrant population.
Reformist

Con

The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals in any way shape or form. And also your source STILL doesn't validate the claim you made in round 1 so I'm just making a guess you just made that up.

http://www.newser.com...

The question isn't whether to leave the borders just open or closed. Its about fixing the problem before you close the borders or after you close it. Republicans just want to close the borders but democrats want to fix the problem.

If your coming from Mexico or other Central American country it can take 10 YEARS! or MORE! Marco Rubio even acknowledged this in the first republican debate. Its not just black and white like you think it is. Why would someone risk getting deported or even sent to jail to do this if there wasn't a alternative.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org... (Youll have to download the file)

If you think about all these things youll understand that the liberal side of this issue makes the most sense
Debate Round No. 3
Niall_McGee27

Pro

The statistics that l laid out in round 3 totally negate your point that a majority of the immigrants aren't criminals. The statistics are startling and that shows that we need to either fix ICE or let no one in until we are sure they are no threat. Look this will help fight against drugs.
Reformist

Con

Fox news is, brace yourself, a biased source. My sources weren't biased except for Mythopedia which is a liberal organization that is focused on the truth instead of conservative lies.

Sorry but you still haven't proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that we should fix our southern borders.

The burden of proof is on you Pro

And since you haven't done you aren't favorable to win

The simple fact is that immigrants are essential to our economy and haven't done much harm to society.

In fact extremist Christians and the right wing have done more unspeakable acts than immigrants.

http://www.salon.com...

Read that and maybe you'll finally change your mind
Debate Round No. 4
Niall_McGee27

Pro

You need to look at the sources of the fox. News article. If you can read it you will notice it got information from sources that are not bias. So look if you just look at the statistics you will see that they point to problems and we need to fix them. Fox News is bias to the truth.
Reformist

Con

Fox News is known for lying so I wouldn't trust them

95 percent of statsitcs are made up did you know that?

I just made up that statsistic as well!

Anyway you still have not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that illegal immigration negatively impacts our country so much that we need to pay millions of dollars to make a wall and billions more into sustaining it

Vote Con since Pro has not done a good job of proving anything
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by geho89 1 year ago
geho89
By "we", you mean Canada right? I agree.
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