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mongeese
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redsoxfreak010
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We need to send money to Africa to save it from development issues

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Started: 4/5/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mongeese

Con

Sending money to Africa actually encourages laziness and government control. I'll prove it later, in Round 2.
redsoxfreak010

Pro

Thank you Mongeese for posting this debate. Since my opponent provides no arguments i will focus on my own.
Contention 1
Africa needs our support for diseases. 1 in 4 Africans have HIV or AIDS. providing funds to provide medicine and create knowledge for safe sex. If we provide money for docters and missionaries they will use it to save millions of lives and develop its medical staff. If we develop their medical staff they will develop as a continent.
Contention 2
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Con

I thank my opponent for accepting this debate.

Here is a definition for the laziness that I mentioned in Round 1 from http://www.merriam-webster.com...:
Lazy: disinclined to activity or exertion

For any sources referencing paragraphs, here is the article that I source: http://online.wsj.com...

Alright, first, I will show why our (as in, everyone in every continent besides Africa) money becomes so destructive to Africa:

1. People around the world send billions of dollars in financial aid to Africa.
http://psdblog.worldbank.org...
(Paragraph 3)

From here, the money takes three different routes:

A. The Government

2. Any money that is sent to Africa in general goes through the government first, and the government taxes most or all of this money away from the people the money was intended to support.
(Paragraph 10)

3. With taxes from the financial aid, African governments have no need to tax their citizens.
(Paragraph 14)

4. "No taxation without representation."
http://www.u-s-history.com...

5. No representation without taxation.
(Inverse property)

6. Because Africa does not tax its citizens, it does not need to give its citizens representation.
(Step 6 + Step 4)

7. All that a corrupt African government needs to stay in power is a continuous flow of financial aid.
(Paragraph 14)

8. With this "free money", African governments do not bother to find more reliable and honest sources of income.
(Paragraph 15)

9. African governments become lazy.
(Definition of "lazy")

B. The People

2. Some of the money from financial aid makes its way to the people.

3. Everyone in that part of Africa becomes a little bit richer.

4. When everyone has more money, monetary inflation occurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

5. Monetary inflation occurs in Africa.

6. The "Dutch disease" occurs in Africa.
(Paragraph 22)

7. Africa's goods become too expensive for export, and housing prices go up.
("Dutch disease")

C. Goods and Products

2. The rest of the world sends money to Africa in the form of food.
(Paragraph 21)

3. People who already have food don't need to buy more food.

4. Africans have food.
(Step 2)

5. Africans don't buy any food from African farmers.

6. African farmers no longer sell any food.

7. African farmers no longer get any profit.
(Businesses need to sell their products to maintain a profit.)

8. African farmers go out of business.
(A lack of profit leads to bankruptcy.)

9. Africa no longer has its own farms.

10. Africa relies on the rest of the world for food.
(They can't get any from Africa.)

11. Africa becomes dependent on the rest of the world.

And so, when we send money to Africa, their governments gain more power, their economy experiences inflation, and they take a step backwards as they no longer can afford to farm.

I eagerly await my opponent's response.
redsoxfreak010

Pro

redsoxfreak010 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Con

Previous arguments extend.

Now to attack my opponent's points.

"Africa needs our support for diseases. 1 in 4 Africans have HIV or AIDS. providing funds to provide medicine and create knowledge for safe sex. If we provide money for doctors and missionaries they will use it to save millions of lives and develop its medical staff. If we develop their medical staff they will develop as a continent."

Do you know how Africa ending up with this AIDS epidemic? It was because when the United Nations decided to vaccinate Africa completely of the polio virus. Somehow, an HIV virus (this is an RAS syndrome) ended up in the vaccine, and this vaccine was spread throughout Africa. From the Encyclopedia Idiotica:
"Not just in Africa, but in other countries, it may have been customary to use the initial shipments as a base from which to increase the amount of vaccine being used. It is suggested that green monkeys or chimpanzee kidneys were used at the local level, both carriers of SIV-1, and that the vaccines therefore became contaminated with the virus the became HIV in humans."
So, it is our fault that they ended up with AIDS. And our money hasn't been going towards hospitals. It has been going towards government.

Now, the key to saving Africa is loaning them money. There are many enteprenuers out in Africa that want to make their country a better place, but they need money. Loaning them money is not sending them money. Loaning forces the enteprenuer to get off of his lazy butt and put his money to good use. Eventually, Africans make a profit, and they succeed. This is not what happens when we send them money. When we send them money, the government intercepts it and wastes it. Loaning is the key. Africans have a 98% payback rate so far. www.kiva.org
redsoxfreak010

Pro

redsoxfreak010 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
mongeese

Con

Well, previous arguments extend. I guess I just continue to wait.
redsoxfreak010

Pro

redsoxfreak010 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
mongeese

Con

Previous arguments extended. Again.
redsoxfreak010

Pro

redsoxfreak010 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
I won this debate fairly clearly.

PRO gave one poorly supported contention, and did not counter any contentions.
Posted by Epicism 8 years ago
Epicism
@McBain

Ditto.
Posted by McBain 8 years ago
McBain
s0me31john... that is hilarious and mind blowing. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by JBeukema 8 years ago
JBeukema
It does not encourage laziness- it does, however, fuel the tyrannical warlords who assume control of incoming goods and encourage reliance on foreign aid
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
If you are so sure, I-am-a-panda, then accept my debate challenge.
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Give them money to build wells, farms and water pipes, and it does not encourage laziness.
Posted by I-am-a-panda 8 years ago
I-am-a-panda
Give them money to build wells, farms and water pipes, and it does not encourage laziness.
Posted by grayron 8 years ago
grayron
You are arguing the dependency theory. I do agree with you with some stuff. The people most likely to starve are the ones that look towards people outside the country. Tribal people are less likely to starve because they act independant.
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
Actually, by "we", I mean every country in the world that isn't in Africa. I'm serious. Countries worldwide are making the mistake of "helping" Africa.
Posted by dragonfire1414 8 years ago
dragonfire1414
I'm guessing that since the instigator is from the U.S.A., than he means the U.S. government, but I could be wrong.
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