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We should eliminate North Korea

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/6/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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valkim

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AP/The Thai Irrawaddy News Magazine

2008 photo shows a surface-to-surface missile at a factory allegedly in Pyongyang, North Korea, during a visit by Burma's military government.
2008 photo shows a surface-to-surface missile at a factory allegedly in Pyongyang, North Korea, during a visit by Burma's military government.

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea criticized the U.S. on Monday for positioning missile defense systems around Hawaii, calling the deployment part of a plot to attack the regime and saying it would bolster its nuclear arsenal in retaliation.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he ordered the deployment of a ground-based, mobile missile intercept system and radar system to Hawaii amid concerns the North may fire a long-range missile toward the islands, about 4,500 miles away.

"Through the U.S. forces' clamorous movements, it has been brought to light that the U.S. attempt to launch a pre-emptive strike on our republic has become a brutal fact," the North's main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in a commentary.

The paper also accused the U.S. of deploying nuclear-powered aircraft and atomic-armed submarines in waters near the Korean peninsula, saying the moves prove "the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear war" on the North is imminent.

The commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency, said the North will bolster its nuclear arsenal in self-defense.

The North routinely accuses the U.S. of plotting to invade the North. But the U.S., which has 28,500 troops in South Korea, has said it has no such plan.

Tensions on the Korean peninsula have been running high since the North defiantly launched a rocket in April and conducted an underground nuclear test last month, prompting U.N. Security Council sanctions.

North Korea responded to the U.N. resolution on the nuclear test with threats of war, and pledged to expand its nuclear bomb-making program.

In what could be the first test of the U.N. sanctions, an American destroyer has been tracking a North Korean ship sailing off China's coast amid suspicions that it is carrying illicit weapons.

The Kang Nam, which left a North Korean port on June 17, is the first vessel monitored under U.N. sanctions that ban the regime from selling arms and weapons-related material. The resolution requires member nations to request permission to inspect the cargo of ships suspected of carrying banned goods.

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The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, said on CBS television Sunday that Washington is "following the progress of that ship very closely." Rice would not say whether the U.S. would confront the Kang Nam.

North Korea has said it would consider any interception of its ships a declaration of war.
Atheism

Con

To begin with, my opponent has not actually stated any sources, so all of his claims are irrelevant and could be entirely false.

Secondly, the only thing my opponent has done was cite several speakings, opinions, and accusations. In fact, not one time in my opponent's argument has North Korea done anything hostile.

//2008 photo shows a surface-to-surface missile at a factory allegedly in Pyongyang, North Korea, during a visit by Burma's military government.//

This is in 2008, and outdated. Not backed up by source, it is simply a wild claim. Argument invalid.

//SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea criticized the U.S. on Monday for positioning missile defense systems around Hawaii, calling the deployment part of a plot to attack the regime and saying it would bolster its nuclear arsenal in retaliation.//

A simple criticism is no reason for attacking North Korea and bolstering war, much less eliminating the country from the face of the Earth, the ramifications of doing so huge.

//U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he ordered the deployment of a ground-based, mobile missile intercept system and radar system to Hawaii amid concerns the North may fire a long-range missile toward the islands, about 4,500 miles away.//

This still doesn't point to why North Korea should be eliminated. Paranoia does not mean that whatever is feared is true.

///"Through the U.S. forces' clamorous movements, it has been brought to light that the U.S. attempt to launch a pre-emptive strike on our republic has become a brutal fact," the North's main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in a commentary.///

I'm not quite sure how to address this, as it helps my arguments. I don't see how recognizing a lethal threat is a bad thing.

//The paper also accused the U.S. of deploying nuclear-powered aircraft and atomic-armed submarines in waters near the Korean peninsula, saying the moves prove "the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear war" on the North is imminent.
The commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency, said the North will bolster its nuclear arsenal in self-defense.//

My opponent sites that a Korean newspaper accuses the US of employing nuclear powered aircraft and submarines near North Korea. Note that the aircraft and submarines were suspiciously well armed. North Korea's response was not volatile, nor was it over exaggerating. It was well within North Korea's limits to terminate said aircraft and submarines, and they did not. They simply said they would increase their nuclear weapon supply in self defense, a smart move, to be sure. However, none of this is any cause for attacking N.Korea.

//The North routinely accuses the U.S. of plotting to invade the North. But the U.S., which has 28,500 troops in South Korea, has said it has no such plan.//

Again, this helps my argument. My opponent clearly states that the U.S. has 28,500 troops stationed in South Korea, which can be mobilized at any given time. Having enemies not more than a mile away is a good cause for paranoia, don't you think?

//Tensions on the Korean peninsula have been running high since the North defiantly launched a rocket in April and conducted an underground nuclear test last month, prompting U.N. Security Council sanctions.//

Again, this is not a cause for war. The USA was testing nuclear weapons until 1992, a mere eighteen years away. And this testing was a year ago.

//North Korea responded to the U.N. resolution on the nuclear test with threats of war, and pledged to expand its nuclear bomb-making program.//
Couple of things. One, I would love to see these threats of war. Please give me a source or something. This is basically another wild claim.
Two, the US has been expanding its nuclear weapons for a while. Just because N.Korea does it it becomes taboo?

//In what could be the first test of the U.N. sanctions, an American destroyer has been tracking a North Korean ship sailing off China's coast amid suspicions that it is carrying illicit weapons.
The Kang Nam, which left a North Korean port on June 17, is the first vessel monitored under U.N. sanctions that ban the regime from selling arms and weapons-related material. The resolution requires member nations to request permission to inspect the cargo of ships suspected of carrying banned goods.//
Has anyone found anything? No. Your argument so far is severely out of date, and so I must conclude that is has been at least a year ago. Since no one has found anything, it follows that the UN should stop inspecting N.Korea for illegal activities. Unless you provide a source that incriminates N.Korea, you have yet to provide any good arguments.

So far, my opponent has not given one source, and not given any recent arguments. In fact, it looks like his entire argument was copied and pasted from out of date website.
He has not posted anything that should incite an attack on N.Korea, and nothing that should require eliminating the entire country.
In fact, the resolution itself could be debated, as it asks what should be defined as eliminating an entire country.
he hasn't even told us who is 'we', so I will restate the resolution with my own definitions.
My opponent hasn't even posted definitions, and as such, I will define them myself.

Resolution - "We (the people[Normal Humans] who live on the Sun), should eliminate(excrete) N.Korea(The place next to South Korea on universally accepted world map)."

Eliminate definition:
4. Physiology To excrete (bodily wastes).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

As such, the resolution is impossible. There are no normal humans living on the Sun, so the resolution is negated. And, if this is not so, than the definition of eliminate destroys any chance of the resolution being true.
How can humans of the Sun excrete N.Korea, when N.Korea isn't a bodily waste, as it is not sweat, semen, blood, or anything else that is normally excreted by the human body?
Furthermore, N.Korea is just a set of land that is established by universally accepted borders. You can't excrete a set of land, especially not humans.

Normally, I don't resort to semantics, but my opponent presented such a stupid argument that he deserves it.
Debate Round No. 1
valkim

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valkim forfeited this round.
Atheism

Con

Well, my opponent forfeited. Arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 2
valkim

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valkim forfeited this round.
Atheism

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Opponent forfeited, Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
5 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 5 records.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Are you going to post?
Posted by hanass 6 years ago
hanass
Typical American brainwashing by the media. There are people in North Korea who don't eat babies for a living, you know that?
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Seems like my opponent is going to forfeit. Pity.
Posted by alexanderk 6 years ago
alexanderk
even though the country is screwed in the head by Kim Jung ill, it would be very unjust just to eliminate a country because that would kill innocent lives that don't know better
Posted by jordanian1110 6 years ago
jordanian1110
Even though north korea has alot of illegal weapens as other countries, they have right to have country land. How do you going to get rid of north korea? I know what your thinking of but its not easy as you think it is.
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