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hhazhn
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frankdavie2
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We should not be afraid of advanced robotics playing a vital part in our future lives.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/29/2015 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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hhazhn

Con

Robots are everywhere, they are everywhere around us, but not intelligent robotics, intelligent to a certain extend they are only intelligent as to what they are designed to do, intelligent in the 'workplace' that was designed around them. This is probably one of the main reasons why people do not think that robotics will get to the stage where they can compete with human intelligence, the efficiency of humans ability to adapt to new environments quickly and react to external stimuli is something that robots do not possess.
But we can all see how fast robotics are developing, we've all heard about it on the news and watched about it on TV. They may still be 'toddlers' compared to us, but they have been 'growing' rapidly. Faster than we can anticipate, as fast as human intelligence allows it, and eventually, we could create something that supersedes our intelligence, then how do we stop it?
People might say I watch too many sci-fi movies, or read too much or I am paranoid, but even Bill Gates and Stephen Hawking said themselves that they are worried on the news. If robots are at 'toddler' intelligence and they could build and create objects that most people on this planet have no idea about, what would robots be like if they develop to 'teenager' or 'young adults' intelligence?
If a 'toddler' is capable of moving around with precision and efficiently decide for themselves, we should be worried, we have the right to be worried.
Robots are 'stealing' people's jobs, a lot of people's jobs have already been 'stolen' rather...some robots are designed to 'steal' our jobs, can you believe that? 'Toddlers', or rather, robots with the intelligence of an unborn foetus are 'stealing' people's jobs. Sure, they will be solving problems for countries that lack manual labour workers and create more creative jobs for people around the world and get more and more people into the world of engineering but that takes time, it will take time for people to get into other job areas and learn new things so implementing this vast number of robotics at this pace, is not a good idea at all.
What about robotics for security? In the medical area? Would you like to have your operation conducted by a fully-autonomous robot? Or be in the scope of a robot gunner? Would you put your life in the hands of a robot? Or fighting for your country, for dignity and peace against a lifeless being that kills on sight and only obey a series of computer commands made behind the screen of a computer? Just a few clicks on the keyboard can lead to lethal and potentially inhumane killing out there. And we gain nothing from it.
frankdavie2

Pro

I accept this debate and wish con the best of luck with his altercations throughout the endurance of this debate.

I strongly adhere to the belief that technology has greatly enhanced our species more than it has damaged our primitive nature. Technology to an extent, is the key to human kind's progression on this planet and we should welcome it with moderation rather than cower away in fear.
Debate Round No. 1
hhazhn

Con

Thank you for accepting this debate.

Everything works to a certain extend, as of right now, humanity could be experiencing the full potential advantages that technology brings us, but it will get to a point where too much of one thing could be more negative than we anticipate. Too much autonomous and little control could be very dangerous. I for one do not want to see robots roaming the streets and could possibly create privacy issues around neighbourhoods.
What happens when failure of robots lead to the loss of multiple lives? Who will take the blame then, what actions should we take if that were to happen, we are simply not ready at this current course, and I doubt that we will be ready when the time comes. There are technologies out there that only a minority can control and use, and some are still experimental, we do not need something else that we are unsure about to be put into our daily lives.
And do you not think that playing God is not a good idea at all?
frankdavie2

Pro

Definition of robot: a machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically, especially one programmable by a computer.You are completely circulating your argument against advanced robotics solely around the basis that the human species won't be able to control it if it did exist. I think you've definitely been indulging too heavily in the themes of 'I, Robot' and other Hollywood films that slip into the same category.Humans are in control. We have enslaved this Earth and all of its beings and that shall never change as long as we sustain our existence on this planet. We have created money, banks, police forces, armies, politicians, schools, universities, prisons and everything else that gives us control over every human being and any other species that live on this planet. You mention the idea that we could be experiencing the full positive potential of technology right now, but I can assure that that is almost certainly not true. In the coming thirty-fifty years, the technology we possess right now will only further benefit human existence in every aspect of society. Technology is and has always improved, so there's no doubt that progression will never stop.For example, medicinal technology will vastly improve, saving millions of human lives around the world and significantly decreasing rates in third-world countries across the globe. Along with enhanced medicinal technologies, TVs will become bigger and slimmer, phone's faster and more comprehensive, cars more energy efficient and computers will store more data. These are all inevitability's and will only make the average humans life easier and more efficient. However, you're main fear is that we may end up creating over-intelligent technology that thinks for itself and acts against human existence. This is extremely far-fetched. Robots require programming, so they will only ever do what we tell them to do. Furthermore, robotics require some form of power to operate (usually electrical) - who generates and controls energy on this planet? Oh yeah, us. If we have the ability and intelligence to create advanced robotics, then I'm sure we have the credentials to pull the plug if control were to briefly slip out of our greedy hands.Even in the event that we do discover a way to create an entity that's more intelligent than us, who's to say we'll give it arms and legs and the ability to move freely around this world? At best, we might stick a hard drive in it and boot it up with the flick of a switch.Moreover, the idea that this technology would become accessible to every ordinary human being on Earth is absurd. We've already created technology that could wipe out the living world, nuclear bombs. However, as much as I'm sure the world feared what terror nuclear bombs might bring to this planet, they are strictly kept out of the hands of the public and are tightly moderated by the world's most credible people - professionals that know what they're doing.No robots have taken our jobs, those are called machines, and those aren't new things. Machines have been implemented in factories since the mid-20th century and have been doing the jobs humans don't can't or want to do, and far more efficiently. Machines lift and move objects that are too heavy for us to lift and rapidly increase production in this country, fuelling the economy.The concept that robots will eventually become more powerful than us is a Hollywood fad that belongs only the multi-million pound contract of a movie. Even if one incident did spontaneously break out in the future after we'd manufactured advanced robots more intelligent than us, we would act on it like a fox chasing a rabbit and the problem would be eliminated before it even started to become serious. Rememember, humans are in control, and nothing will change that as long as we surivive on Earth...and soon to be, Mars.
Debate Round No. 2
hhazhn

Con

We have indeed tried to enslave this planet, and the planet is fighting back at us, global warming? Climate change? More and more species are becoming extinct day after day, and we will feel the consequences. Are we really in control of everything? We are simply using up this planet's resources for our increase in demands, for our technological demands, there is no control over anything. Riots? Wars? Especially civil wars, people are forced to change under these situations, whether is the people in charge or the ones trying to make a difference, no-one is capable of seizing complete control over anything.
I actually don't watch much Hollywood films on robotics at all, the only one I know of is 'I, Robot' and I believe that the robots would rise up with their own hive mind is absurd, I never said that they would gain the ability to manipulate this world themselves like us, and definitely cannot control anything.
Is the people's idea that we should be using more robots in aiding in our advancement in developing a better civilisation, like you said yourself, we will benefit from technology, sure, that's a perfectly good thing, but we could easily fall into the trap of taking it all for granted without knowing the downsides at all. Infact, we already have.
Most people have a mobile phone, sit in front of a computer, and using other electronic devices, but we still do not know the harmful effects that they bring us, we take them for granted, we are the experimental subjects in this day and age, we have all this technology, but how much do we really know about it? Machine Learning is used world wide, and it is beating humans at the speed which they can learn and convey messages, and they are mostly autonomous. You see machine learning everyday you browse the Internet, you get it in your e-mails, but do you know anything about it? No, the vast majority of us don't, and some don't even know of it's presents in our everyday lives. That's the scary part.
Big data? There's something else we cannot 'control', we have accumulated too much of it, that we are not even capable of filtering through it all, and guess who's doing the job of filtering? Robots. We need them to know how our planet is functioning, how the people are living with one another, how other planets in our solar system are doing, and eventually how to take over one, we are already planning on relying on robots to take us forward, we are like cyborgs already, we are crippled without our electronic parts, we cannot even 'move' without them.
All that big data, police are able to predict crimes and track down criminals, no-one has any secrets anymore. Where are they stored? In machines, and who guard these data? Softwares.
Robots will play a key roll in entertainment in the future too, they will entertain your children, the children of your children, robot and human relationships will be thing, and like gay marriage, we are going have to make new laws to govern and 'control', we are bring ourselves more problems.
We are not capable of eliminating any soon to be threats, the vast amount of nuclear missiles is the gun that we have placed to our heads unintentionally but we are unwilling to put it down either. And when we take robots too much for the good they bring, we will be unable to live without it, and when they become a threat...there is no getting rid of them. And we all know that's how work, that's how the world is now...who can put down their mobile phone and leave their screens for the rest of their lives? Or for at least a year? No-one, and we simply cannot, because we need technology to get us through our everyday lives, to communicate to work and feed your family.
Moving out a bit more, our there on the battlefields, how would you feel if your comrade was killed by a series of computer commands, wires and a metallic exoskeleton? Where's the dignity in that kind of death? And there will be no beating war machines even if they are semi-autonomous. What happens when terrorist get their hands on this kind of technology, which they will. Sure these weapons are protected by professionals that know what they are doing, but do we? Do we know what they are doing? Or why they are doing something? We often question authority and hoping for answers, but we don't always get those answers we want.
So control, who is actually in control? Us? Or are we just developing something that we are hoping to be able to control us completely? Because we do not know how?
'and nothing will change that as long as we survive on Earth', If we survive on Earth.
frankdavie2

Pro

Rebuttal #1

"We have indeed tried to enslave this planet, and the planet is fighting back at us, global warming? Climate change? More and more species are becoming extinct day after day, and we will feel the consequences. Are we really in control of everything? We are simply using up this planet's resources for our increase in demands, for our technological demands"

Humans are the dominant species on this planet, that's an irrefutable fact. Do you have any evidence to support your point that humans are not in control? Global warming and climate change are grey areas in the world of science right now and are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Even if they were genuinely proven to exist, it would only back up my point that humans are in control of this planet - we are the ones that call all of the shots that legitimately affect the environment, no-one else. We have so much control over this planet, that we may have actually affected it's biological system.

Rebuttal #2

"there is no control over anything. Riots? Wars? Especially civil wars, people are forced to change under these situations, whether is the people in charge or the ones trying to make a difference, no-one is capable of seizing complete control over anything."

I thought we were debating whether or not the human race could prevent robots from taking over the world? Of course we can't control hostile uprisings in society, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the human race as a whole is in the throne of power on this planet - we are the dominators. No-one is capable of seizing complete control over anything? Kim Jong Un has full power over the poltiical stance in North Korea? Microsoft have full control over the type of products they manufacture? Shall I go on? Power in its fullness is everywhere, and it's the human race that wields it most vividly.


Rebuttal #3

"we will benefit from technology, sure, that's a perfectly good thing, but we could easily fall into the trap of taking it all for granted without knowing the downsides at all. Infact, we already have.
Most people have a mobile phone, sit in front of a computer, and using other electronic devices, but we still do not know the harmful effects that they bring us"

By this point in your argument (around halfway) I'm not actually entirely sure what point you're trying to make. It all just seems to be a loqacious rambling of emotional verbosity. From what I could pick apart, you seem to no longer be arguing that robots could take over the world, but that machines (computers, mobile phones and TVs etc.) have and are currently devouring our primitive existence. What are the harmful effects that come with modern technology? Of course, there are the minor harmful effects of poorer health and developing square eyes, but I can think of a dozen non-technological thingss that are equally as bad for you such as fast food, cigarettes and even sleeping if done too much. Technology, like everything else in the world, should be moderated. After all of the postive things technology has allowed us to do (visit the moon, travel faster etc.) what are these 'harmful' effects that you are referring to?


Rebuttal #4

"Machine Learning is used world wide, and it is beating humans at the speed which they can learn and convey messages, and they are mostly autonomous. You see machine learning everyday you browse the Internet, you get it in your e-mails, but do you know anything about it? No, the vast majority of us don't, and some don't even know of it's presents in our everyday lives. That's the scary part"

Machine learning? Care to present any evidence to back up the existence of this terrifying beast that hides behind every internet browser?

Rebuttal #5

"We need them to know how our planet is functioning, how the people are living with one another, how other planets in our solar system are doing, and eventually how to take over one, we are already planning on relying on robots to take us forward, we are like cyborgs already, we are crippled without our electronic parts, we cannot even 'move' without them."

Who is 'them'? Robots do not exist in our everyday life, those are called machines. Your computer is a machine, your TV is a machine, your mobile phone is a machine - robots have not been implemented into modern society, and robots that do exist (such as Asimo) are not capable of thinking for themselves and are stricly programmed by their manufacturers.

Although we have taken most technology for granted, it's nothing short of farcical for anyone to say that we couldn't survive without it. We have survived on this Earth for millions of years, mostly without the use of the technology we rely on today. Maybe you're right, we are reliant on technology, but how does that constitute to this idea that it's negatively affecting us? It's still allowed us to do things that we wouldn't even have dreamed of being able to do five decades ago.


Your exposition that humans are like 'cyborgs' is just nonsensical and I feel it would be pointless to state why.

Rebuttal #6

"Robots will play a key roll in entertainment in the future too, they will entertain your children, the children of your children, robot and human relationships will be thing, and like gay marriage, we are going have to make new laws to govern and 'control', we are bring ourselves more problems."

Oh, so we're back to the original argument again, that robots will eventually take over the planet. Your argument is just so far-fetched and based solely on your distopian prediction of the distant future. That's your opinion, and you have not presented any evidence to fullfil your burden of proof. Therefore, there is absolutely no point for me to even attempt to rebute your claims.

Rebuttal #7

"we will be unable to live without it, and when they become a threat...there is no getting rid of them"

In the hypothetical synopsis that robots are eventually implemented into society similarly to the way they are introduced to the home in 'I, Robot', what makes you believe that they will all of sudden turn evil and start wreaking havoc throughout the world? As I mentioned before, if we are clever enough to build human-like robots, then we are smart enough to put into place security measures in the rare event of an outbreak. Moreover, robots need to be programmed to function, so unless we started to program them to be aggressive towards humans, then where does this hostility that you claim will exist come from?

Rebuttal #8

"who can put down their mobile phone and leave their screens for the rest of their lives? Or for at least a year? No-one, and we simply cannot, because we need technology to get us through our everyday lives, to communicate to work and feed your family."

People use their phones because they're useful, not because of some form of compulsive addiction that forces us to check our messages every ten seconds. Phones are possibly one of the most useful inventions humans have ever seen. They bring us together, allowing us to connect with people that we would never have met before without technology. Social media is controversial, but the invention of the text message and phone call is one that has vastly enhanced communication, and that alone is a pro that outweighs any of the cons that come with mobile phones, of which you are still to state.

Rebuttal #9


"how would you feel if your comrade was killed by a series of computer commands, wires and a metallic exoskeleton? Where's the dignity in that kind of death? And there will be no beating war machines even if they are semi-autonomous. What happens when terrorist get their hands on this kind of technology, which they will. Sure these weapons are protected by professionals that know what they are doing, but do we? Do we know what they are doing? Or why they are doing something? We often question authority and hoping for answers, but we don't always get those answers we want."

Again, there is very little point in me analytically breaking this paragprah because it is merely just your opinion and there is not a single blip of evidence to back up your point.

Conclusion

Every single point you've tried to make is based solely on your opinion and you have included no evidence or sources to bolster your far-fetched ideas. I advice pro to review their points carefully and present significant evidence to support them in the next round.

Debate Round No. 3
hhazhn

Con

hhazhn forfeited this round.
frankdavie2

Pro

Extend all previous rebuttals and arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
hhazhn

Con

hhazhn forfeited this round.
frankdavie2

Pro

Pro has not attempted to counter my rebuttals so I have to assume victory in this debate.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by hhazhn 2 years ago
hhazhn
Haha that's alright, the information is more important than any sort of formatting in my opinion. :)
Posted by frankdavie2 2 years ago
frankdavie2
I apologise for my round coming out in a huge bulk of text, I wrote it in paragraphs but the formatting must have messed up. I guess technology can't always be controlled.
Posted by hhazhn 2 years ago
hhazhn
This is my first time doing a debate on this website, excuse me if I am may not be following the rules of Debate correctly. I will try and learn the methods.
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lannan13
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