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Weed should be completely legalised in the United Kingdom

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/12/2012 Category: Society
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PlanetHolliewad

Pro

Before I start, allow me to say that I do not consume and illegal drug of any kind. I have merely been researching the subject on the matter and feel that there is more evidence that supports legalising of marijuana is harmless.

For example:
  1. Did you know that marijuana does LESS harm to your body than alcohol?- It is true. Alcohol does horrors to ones body. Alcohol is one of the most life-threatening, mind-altering, motor-skill impairing substances in existence. Alcohol abuse destroys a person's liver and wreaks havoc on the entire body. In many cases, it takes very little alcohol to impair a driver's ability to operate a vehicle and threaten the lives of other people on the road. It seems to me that alcoholics are a much bigger threat to society than "pot heads" will ever be, regardless of the legalization of marijuana; yet alcohol is still legal. Most anti-social behaviour is due to the public exercising their rights to get paralytic and fight. How could something with no recorded fatalities be illegal? And how many deaths are there per year due to alcohol?
  2. Cigarettes - Cigarettes are another readily avair is due to substance that yield absolutely no positive effects. Cigarettes not only kill the people who smoke them, but they also kill the people around those who smoke them. They also contribute to the depletion of oxygen from our air. There is only one possible explanation for the fact that these deadly poisons have not been banned. The government is making a fortune on the sales and tax revenues of cigarettes. The tobacco industry clearly values the English pound more than a human life. How does the government justify the legalization of a deadly drug like tobacco, while at the same time they ban a less dangerous substance, such as marijuana?
  3. Less money being spent by the government who fund drunk people at the weekend.
  4. Marijuana is NOT addictive. - There are no addictive chemicals in marijuana. Think about how addictive legal substances such as cigarettes and alcohol is!
There's only one thing that could encourage such ridiculous regulations: the love of money. The court system makes a fortune in the accumulation of fines, bail amounts, and property (and drug) seizures. If marijuana were legal, this huge revenue would not exist. If marijuana were legal, people wouldn't have to travel to "the hood" to get it, which would result in less crime-related deaths and less exposure to "harder" drugs. The police interpret this as less criminals to chase, which would make it more difficult to meet their quotas.
The bottom line in the marijuana controversy depends on the angle from which one views it. The health risks involved with marijuana use are of a much smaller threat than those associated with alcohol or cigarettes. The motor impairment that may result from marijuana use is far less intense than that resulting from the consumption of alcohol, as well as some food preservatives. Historical documents illustrate that many of our nation's most inspiring names, including Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Thomas Edison, used marijuana regularly with no ill effect. It is obvious that the determining factor in the marijuana controversy is the almighty After all, it has been confirmed that the earth no longer spins on an axis. Money is what makes the world turn.
16kadams

Con


  1. Marijuana is less harmful then legal drugs? Interestingly enough tobacco—commonly considered a [legal] drug which is very harmful to the body—is less potent then marijuana. Marijuana is a stronger carcinogenic then tobacco, and countless studies find marijuana smoke is so toxic it severely hurts the immune system. THC, the main chemical in marijuana, does a good job at suppressing peoples immune systems [1]. Alcohol is actually good for the body in low doses, and reduces the risk of heart disease, strokes, gallstones, diabetes, and death from a heart attack. Two drinks a day give substantial benefits to the heart. Due to the fact marijuana hurts T-cells, and weakens the lungs, risk of lung infections raise for those using marijuana. Any amount of marijuana increases the risk of heart attack (it raises heart rate), and in the long-term cause birth defects. Now, I agree alcohol is an awful substance, in the short and long term. But marijuana is much worse in that perspective. For example, alcohol (even when consuming a lot of it) is easily and quickly broken down, however marijuana chemicals reside in the body for long periods of time. Alcohol is healthy at a low dose; marijuana is unhealthy in all doses in the long and short term [2].

  2. My opponent has argued the only reason tobacco has not been banned is because it leads to economic benefits. Sadly, this fact is untrue and unsourced. Global studies have found tobacco lowers worker productivity and is holding down economic growth. Smoking costs the world 1-2% of the worlds GDP and has killed 1 billion people in this century. My opponent’s argument is laughable; I doubt the increased revenue outweighs a 2% decline in economic growth. This data invalidates my opponent’s position [3].

  3. I ask my opponent to elaborate. It seems as though he is arguing the drug war funds drunkards, which makes little sense as drug prohibition has been decreasing usage and, therefore, lowering business to drug dealers [1].

  4. Marijuana is addictive, I don’t think even the most passionate legalization advocates can deny this fact. Research clearly shows if you begin using marijuana as a teenager, addiction rates range from 25-50%, much higher then other drugs. Twin studies find a twin that uses marijuana early on has more problems and addictions in life then the twin that abstains from marijuana use until an older age (or abstains from it fully). People trying to quit marijuana have similar symptoms as those on other drugs (like alcohol). They have cravings, sleep disorders develop, anxiety, increased aggression, irritability, these symptoms are similar to nicotine withdrawal [4].



===Effects of legalization===



a. Increased use



“In 1975, the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that the state could not interfere with an adult’s possession of marijuana for personal consumption in the home. The court’s ruling became a green light for marijuana use. Although the ruling was limited to persons 19 and over, teens were among those increasingly using marijuana. According to a 1988 University of Alaska study, the state’s 12 to 17-year-olds used marijuana at more than twice the national average for their age group. Alaska’s residents voted in 1990 to re-criminalize possession of marijuana. By 1979, after 11 states decriminalized marijuana and the Carter administration had considered federal decriminalization, marijuana use shot up among teenagers. That year, almost 51 percent of 12th graders reported they used marijuana in the last 12 months. By 1992, with tougher laws and increased attention to the risks of drug abuse, that figure had been reduced to 22 percent, a 57-percent decline.”[5]



“Legalization would decrease price and increase availability. Availability is a leading factor associated with increased drug use. Increased use of addictive substances leads to increased addiction. As a public health measure, statistics show that prohibition was a tremendous success.”[6]



b. Effects of the increased use



“[A]rrests for driving under the influence of drugs rose 46 percent for adults and 71.4 percent for juveniles.”[1]



Interestingly enough, due to worker productivity falling due to increased use, it is highly possible the economy would suffer (like what is happening for tobacco). Statistics also show areas where marijuana is legal, like Netherlands “coffee” shops, those areas are safe havens for criminals, and since the ability to sell marijuana was allowed in the Netherlands crime has increased. Due to the fact marijuana increases the inability to think properly, it is possible those on marijuana are more likely to commit crimes. Regardless, most criminals test positive for the drug. Further, increased use would also increase the use of other drugs, as a RAND study notes, “a 10-percent decrease in the price of marijuana would increase the prevalence of cocaine use by 4.4 to 4.9 percent.”[7] As stated, legalization would lower cost. So unless my opponent concedes cocaine should also be legalized, he has essentially endorsed raising cocaine usage rates too.



CONCLUSION:



My opponent’s case is extremely weak and the arguments against legalization are stronger.




1. http://www.sarnia.com...


2. http://www.heritage.org...


3. http://www.huffingtonpost.com...


4. http://www.drugabuse.gov...


5. “Speaking out against drug legalization”, DEA, fact 6.


6. http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu...


7. http://www.rand.org...


Debate Round No. 1
PlanetHolliewad

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16kadams

Con

Okay then
Debate Round No. 2
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16kadams

Con

I win, now only two days until I truly win
Debate Round No. 3
PlanetHolliewad

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Debate Round No. 4
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by CarlaJMena 4 years ago
CarlaJMena
Interesting.
Posted by Smithereens 4 years ago
Smithereens
hmm, i would love to debate this topic with you, but it would look bad even if you won since this is your first debate... maybe later.
Posted by AlwaysMoreThanYou 4 years ago
AlwaysMoreThanYou
Maybe this is legitimate, but I find it oddly suspect that this same argument appears elsewhere on the internet.

Not to mention the disconnect between the resolution "...in the United Kingdom" and "...our nation's most inspiring names, including Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Thomas Edison"
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