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MagicAintReal
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jackgilbert
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What Is The Origin Of Earthly Life?

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Started: 1/3/2018 Category: Science
Updated: 1 week ago Status: Debating Period
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MagicAintReal

Con

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Full Resolution

The origin of earthly life can only be explained by god creating it.


Definitions

origin - the point or place where something begins, arises, or is derived.
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earthly - relating to the third planet from the sun in the solar system, on which we live.
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life - the condition that distinguishes prokaryotes and eukaryotes from inorganic matter, including the capacity to metabolize, reproduce, and maintain homeostasis.
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only - to the exclusion of others.
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explain - make an idea clear to someone by describing it in more detail or revealing relevant facts.
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god - the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority.
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creating - bringing something into existence.
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jackgilbert

Pro

I believe that the origin of earthly life is God.
People say that there is no evidence for God. I say you cannot disprove God's existence. First of all, to say that God cannot be proven is a loaded statement, because according to the first law of science, nothing can be proven with 100% accuracy.
Now to my argument. Every life form on this earth comes from somewhere. If there is no God, then there would be nothing right now, and this is obviously not the case. If there is no God, and because everything has to come from somewhere, then what is the origin of life on earth? Suppose you say evolution. Evolution is a theory which says that life on earth originated from a single cell which reproduced until we have this world today. Evolution gives an explanation on how the life form reproduced and created this world, but it never addresses exactly how this life form came into existence. The only answer to this question is from nothing. This is because everything has an origin, thus making it where there had to be once nothing. The problem is, nothing cannot create something. This is why there has to be a God. There has to be an omnipotent being who is the designer of everything. Now the first question I get is who created God. This is a question both evolutionists and creationists have to address. Now remember, if God is an omnipotent being, then would he still be all powerful, if God himself is not control of his own existence. The answer is no. If God exists, then he is all powerful making it where he is in control of everything including his existence. Now that I have answered the question I can now flip the original question back around to evolutionists. Where did the first life form come from. They cannot give the same answer I did because they don't believe in an all powerful being. Thus making it where the first life form is not all powerful. So if it is not all powerful, then how can it have always existed an somehow be an exception to the rule in that everything has an origin? There is no answer. This is why evolution is impossible and there had to be an all powerful being who created the universe.
I will address any questions posted in comments and I look forward to hearing my opponents argument.
Debate Round No. 1
MagicAintReal

Con

Thanks Pro for accepting the debate, its definitions, and its rules.
Pro is attempting to show the only explanation for earthly life.
Pro attempts to negate an alternative by rejecting evolution.
None of it helps Pro's case.

*Resolution/Burden*

The resolution, with the agreed-to-definitions of its constituent terms, leaves Pro having to show that the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority is the only explanation for the point at which life on Earth arose.

1. If Pro cannot show a creator of the universe, the resolution is negated.
2. If Pro cannot show a ruler of the universe, the resolution is negated.
3. If Pro cannot show a source of all moral authority, the resolution is negated.
4. If Pro cannot show that an entity that satisfies all three of these roles, the resolution is negated.
5. If Pro cannot show that an entity that satisfies all three of those roles is the *only* explanation for the origin of life on earth, the resolution is negated.

Whew!
So far Pro hasn't even scratched the surface of his burden.


*Rebuttal*

Pro asserts:
"I say you cannot disprove God's existence."

My response:
I say I can, but I'll actually show how.
The god in this debate must be the creator of the universe, given the agreed-to definitions.
Creation is a temporal process involving a series of events, one after the other in time.

Well, time originated at the universe's origin, so to say that a temporal process (CREATION, the process used by CREATORS) was used to originate time is nonsensical and contradictory.
A creator cannot use time before time exists...think about it.

There is no creator of a universe that wasn't created.
Therefore no god in this debate.


Pro posits:
"If there is no God, and because everything has to come from somewhere, then what is the origin of life on earth?"

My response:
Abiogenesis is a sound, viable explanation.

1. With an atmosphere, water salinity, inorganic compounds, electricity, and UV rays likely of a prebiotic earth, inorganic compounds can naturally become organic compounds in the form of amino acids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

2. Amino acids make up proteins, in chains called polypeptides, and the sequence of the amino acid chain causes the polypeptide to fold into a shape that is biologically active.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

3. Biologically active amino acid sequences can themselves metabolize compounds.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

4. Amino acids are catalysts, because they tend to increase the rate of chemical reactions, and in a prebotic network full of amino acids, RNA can emerge due to its auto-catalytic property.
http://www.pnas.org...

5. RNA also self-replicates, in a template directed manner, and because of this, was able to become a dominant macromolecule in a prebiotic amino acid network.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

6. With biologically active amino acid chains and self-replicating RNA, phosphorus membranes can easily form, which encapsulates the ability to metabolize and self-replicate thus forming a protocell.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

7. Protocells can metabolize with amino acids and replicate with RNA, and this condition is the origin of genetic polymers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

8. A protocell with a membrane and genetic polymers that can metabolize and self replicate is a full blown living cell, and these single cells are life; they're simple life, but they're life.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

9. These simple life forms would need to eventually consume more, and the network of amino acids and other compounds in the region were in fact edible.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

10. Given all of this evidence, abiogenesis is a sound, viable explanation for the origin of life on Earth, and requires no god.


Pro continues:
"Evolution is a theory which says that life on earth originated from a single cell which reproduced until we have this world today...it never addresses exactly how this life form came into existence."

My response:
Great.
What about abiogenesis, which explains the origin of the first cell, not its diversification thereafter?


Pro asserts more:
"The problem is, nothing cannot create something."

My response:
While I could get into the quantum exceptions to this rule, abiogenesis doesn't posit something from nothing, rather it posits the emergence of the first living cell from prebiotic, inorganic compounds already here on earth.
It's simply not something from nothing...strawman.


Pro gets slightly off topic:
"Now the first question I get is who created God."

My response:
I might ask it like "What created god?" or even "How was god created?" instead of "Who created god?" but that's besides the point.
Pro has to show that this god exists before addressing how it exists.
How did god use time to originate time Pro?
If you can show this, you may demonstrate your god.
Good luck.


So Pro has a question:
"I can now flip the original question back around to evolutionists. Where did the first life form come from?"

My response:
The first cell would have arisen via inorganic compounds of prebiotic earth as outlined in my explanation of abiogenesis.
Also, using the term evolutionist is silly, because we don't have terms for people who believe in atomic theory (atomists) or plate tectonics (plate tectonists) or planetary theory (planetists) or pathogenic theory (pathogenesists).
Believing in facts shouldn't afford you some exclusive title, except maybe "correct."


Pro keeps at it:
"the first life form is not all powerful so how can it have always existed and somehow be an exception to the rule in that everything has an origin?"

My response:
There is no rule that everything has an origin, especially with quantum particles, and no one ever claimed that life has always existed, in fact, using the term prebiotic earth necessitates that earth existed before earthly life.


*Questions for Pro*

1. Do you understand the difference between abiogenesis and evolution?
2. Do you understand that inorganic compounds can become organic compounds and that this reaction is completely viable on a prebiotic earth?
3. Do you understand that saying god used time (creation) to originate time (the universe) is nonsensical?
4. Do you think you've shown god to be the only explanation of life on earth, or do you see that abiogenesis can act as an explanatory alternative?

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Posted by MagicAintReal 1 week ago
MagicAintReal
@jackgilbert
Why must you forfeit so?
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