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What if I tell you that if you call him Jesus instead of Eesa ,then you're insulting him?

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Started: 5/22/2016 Category: Religion
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easternhitman-90

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I want to debate anyone (with proofs of course) that,that Jewish prophet's name was Eesa and not Jesus.
Crimson_Lion

Con

I accept the challenge.

I first would like to point out that it is indeed true, that Jesus is called Eesa in Judaism, but it's also "Isa" in Islam. Regardless, here is my first claim.

Saying that "Calling him Jesus instead of Eesa is insulting him" is completely wrong. For one thing, it's like saying "Bed" (English) instead of "Cama" (Spanish) is insulting to it. But The opposition would state that they are two different things, as one is alive, while the other is not.

But need I remind you that It's not insulting, as it's basically the same thing, but just with a different name. Take for example the "International House of Pancakes." it has been re-named to IHOP. They both are the same thing, but just with a different name. Another example would be for the people that speak Japanese, where instead of "god," they say "Kami." Again, they're the same thing, but with a different name.

One final example is God itself. In Christianity, it's God. In Islam, it's Allah. In Judaism, It's Yahweh. There is no evidence supporting the claim that giving a different name for the same thing is insulting, no matter how hard you try.
Debate Round No. 1
easternhitman-90

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My point wasn't about it being written in english ,we all know the name "Jesus" originates from ,Yeshua , So Whether it was Yeshu` or Yeheshuwa` the Jews would have been forbidden to mention him by name.Jewish law explicity forbids mentioning the name of criminals against God or their deities.

"And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and"make NO MENTION of the name of other GODS NEITHER let it be HEARD out of they mouth." [Exodus 23:13]

Thus, in order to write about Jesus without mentioning his name and, thereby, breaching the law; they wrote the acronym" "Y'SHW" which stood for:

"""Yemach Shmo w'Zikro" meaning "May his name and memory be blotted out".

By this acronym he is mentioned in all early Jewish words regarding Jesus. The Toledoth Yeshu which is dated to the 6th Century A.D. calls him by this name (among other horrible allegations and epithets).

So what was the real name of Jesus? We all know that prophets were named after the sorroundings they were born or created:-
1-Adam -"("Aadam") - meaning "ruddy"; perhaps from -"""("Dum") - meaning "blood"; Also related to" ("Adamah") - meaning tilled earth, ie from which the first man, Adam, was created.
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the"ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." [Genesis 2:7]

2- Noah -"("Noakh") from" ("Nookh") - meaning "To Rest". His name is explained to mean "rest" at the time of his birth in the following verse:"
"And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall"comfort"us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed." [Genesis 5:29]

3- Isaac -"("Yitzhaq") from"("Tzahaq") -" meaning "to laugh" or "he laughs". This name being chosen at the sime surrounding his birth is seen in the following verse: "And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her."Then Abraham fell upon his face and"laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is a hundred years old?...(Genesis 17:16-19)

4- Ishmael -"("Yishmaael") - from"("shama`") "to hear" and"("ale") "God" - meaning "God heard".
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"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son,"and shalt call his name Ishmael, because"the "LORD hath heard""they affliction." [Genesis 16:11]

5- Moses -"("Moshe") - Meaning "Drawn out" since Moses was "drawn out" from the river as a baby in the basket."
"And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son."And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out"of the water." [Exodus 2:10]

So each prophet was named by the circumstances they were created and born at, so what about Jesus? We see in Numbers 24:17:-
........there shall come A STAR out of Jacob,....

This is in line with the Old Testament prophecies and corresponds with what little historical documentation we have regarding the birth of Jesus.

The Hebrew word "`Esh" is by definition a bright northern star or stars in the Ursa Major constellation."W.F. Gesenius illustrated the collaborative relationship between the Hebrew word "`Esh" and the Arabic word "`Aasa" and "`Essa" and defined this as "nightly watcher"."
Thus it has been clearly demonstrated that Jesus' name being "`Eesa" from the Arabic root "`Assa" and the Hebrew root "`Esh" meaning "North Star" has far more credibility than a reference to a name for which there is absolutely no congruence with Biblical prophecy or historical evidence.

The Qur'an was revealed over 600 years after the ascent of Jesus, in far away Arabia where most of the Christians would have been calling him "Yesu`" from the same "Y'SHW" found in their Christian Biblical teachings which were sketchy at best. However, the Qur'an from which the Prophet Muhammad" was teaching, mentioned a Jewish Messiah, who performed brilliant miracles, born of a pure virgin, who was named "`Eesa". The Arab Christians were familiar with "Yesu`" whom they knew as their Lord and Savior. Had the Prophet (peace be upon him) copied stories from the Jews and Christians, he would have also copied their mistakes. However, the Israelite stories which are related in the Qur'an are strikingly accurate historically and diverge from the Bible in the areas where the Judeo-Christian scriptures err monumentally.

So it's your choice either to curse him by calling him Jesus or by calling his real name ,Eesa son of Mariam.

"And that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of the Book is the truth, confirming what was before it. Indeed, Allah, of His servants, is Acquainted and Seeing." Qur'an 35:31
Crimson_Lion

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Debate Round No. 2
easternhitman-90

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Debate Round No. 4
easternhitman-90

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by lightseeker 1 year ago
lightseeker
he was born in middle east, and Easa is the name that god gave him there. Jesus is just the western version of that name. also in Quran he is also called Masih, which means a person who travels the earth, because Jesus was a traveler and he would go to different places to teach people and heal them.
Posted by MissLuLu 1 year ago
MissLuLu
Jesus is an adapted translation to suit the tongues of the English, as Sean is the Irish adaption of John, since Irish Gaelic does not have the letter j.

Jesus is just an alternate spelling for the same name.
Posted by Ockham 1 year ago
Ockham
His name couldn't have been "Jesus," since Aramaic doesn't have any of those letters.
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