What is better, a strong army(pro) or strong navy(con)?
Debate Rounds (4)
round 1:acception and reasoning
round 2,3:main arguments
round 4: rebuttal
a navy is better
I must remind the audience that I must prove that a strong army is better than a strong navy.
My first argument is from logical reasoning.
Take, for example, the country of Poland. If Poland was to enter a war with its neighbor, the Russian Federation, which would be better for Poland to have beforehand? A strong army, or a strong navy? Because Poland shares such a large land border with its opponent, a strong army would be the logical choice. At the most, a strong Polish navy might be able to provide fire support, but if it had a weak army, the country would be conquered in weeks, or perhaps even days. Given the context, a strong Polish army would be the best choice here.
But obviously, there are many more countries than just Poland and the Russian Federation. For the United States, specifically, a navy might be better, yes, but for many countries the ground war will be far more important. The United States is an example because it is isolated by two oceans and shares land borders with some of its closest Allies, Canada and Mexico. Yes, a navy is better for the United States. But it isn't for all countries in the world. You can't just drop bombs on a populace, you have to also get boots on the ground to clear it out. Therefore, you must also need a strong army, especially against an enemy who is fighting in their homeland, like we have seen in the Middle Eastern conflicts the US has intervened in.
ok you make a good point with nations like poland don't need a strong navy but a nation like japan or cuba has more of a need for a navy
First, let's talk about Cuba.
Cuba is a dictatorship under Fidel Castro, embargoed by the United States. If Cuba ever attempted to create a strong navy and use it, say, against other Caribbean nations there is no doubt the superior United States navy would eventually intervene. Why do I say it's superior? Because Cuba does not have the resources or technology to build a fleet to rival the United States.
Now let's talk about Japan.
After WWII, much of Japan's navy was destroyed, dismantled, or taken as reparations. In the 1947 Japanese Constitution, Article 9 specifically states "The Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as a means of settling international disputes." This still means they can operate a self-defense force, which they do, seeing as they have the seventh largest exclusive economic zone in the world. Today, they run 124 active vessels, of theses 24 are anti-submarine destroyers and 28 are minesweepers. Japan's navy currently operates purely as a defensive measure, and it has no real offensive capabilities, since it is not allowed legally to carry ICBMs in its fleet. Japan also does not have any nuclear weapons.
Let's compare Japan's JMSDF to China's PLAN (The People's Liberation Army Navy):
JMSDF ships: 124
PLAN ships: 484
JMSDF sailors: 50,000
PLAN sailors: 255,000 (2012)
JMSDF aircraft: 339
PLAN aircraft: 650
If these two nations, alone, were to go to war again in the near future, the Chinese would probably win because of their significant numerical advantage, as well as nuclear capability. So really, Japan doesn't need a strong navy, because like Cuba, it would probably lose anyway.
ok you make good points. however in history nations like the US and the British only became a superpower because they had a strong navy
Also compare two ancient Greek cities-states Athens and Sparta in the Peloponnesian War. Sparta had a clear military advantage on land, but the Athenian navy surpassed Sparta’s capabilities at sea; neither side was able to seize and maintain the upper hand. Then Sparta had beg to Persia to get help. otherwise Athens may have won
The Peloponnesian War, as you yourself pointed out, had no clear victory, and both were unable to take the upper hand in the conflict. We must remember Sparta had no real need for a navy in the first place. It did not deal with much trade, especially not sea trade. Instead, it mainly, as you also have pointed out, kept to its clear talent- land-based trade and conflict.
Sparta didn't have to "beg" for the Persians' help, either. The Persians were glad to help. They would love to see their former enemies, the Athenians, fall. All the Persians did was support rebellions across the Athenian empire. They did not openly contribute to the war.
Either way, the Peloponnesian War didn't have a clear victor. Overall, it is not a piece of evidence for either of us. It is utterly irrelevant to the argument.
volcan forfeited this round.
I'm just going to reiterate my point: for the majority of nations, a strong army is better because they share large land borders, or their navy is already hopelessly outclassed by a neighbor.
Thank you for your time.
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