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What is the Scariest Silent Hill Monster?

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Started: 5/8/2015 Category: Games
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ImaRealMeanie

Pro

What is the scariest monster in Silent Hill you can think of? Each round will be a different monster and a reason why you think it is the scariest. Voters will vote who has the team of scariest monsters. First round for acceptance and questions.

(Warning: might contain Silent Hill spoilers.)
brandenschirpke117

Con

i accept the challenge, but ask for one piece of clarification, are we allowed to use any silent hill game, including P.T? Besides that, i have no questions, and i look forward to this civil debate/discussion.
Debate Round No. 1
ImaRealMeanie

Pro

Any Silent Hill main game and the movies are accepted as well. (Silent Hill 1, 2, 3, 4: The Room, Origins, Homecoming, Shattered Memories, Downpour, and Silent Hills/P.T.) Anything other than that (Comics, spin-offs, etc.) is not allowed.
Also, bosses are allowed.

Allllllllllright! Here's my first monster!

http://silenthill.wikia.com...(boss) < when you put in the link, type in (boss) at the end, the link doesn't work if you don't.

God. Holy capital F.

God is the final boss in Silent Hill 3, after literally being eaten by Claudia (On of the antagonists) right after being vomited from the protagonist's womb. Yeah, that's right. The protagonist threw up an effing fetus that turns into the final boss after it is eaten by one of the antagonists. Oh cheese.

Backstory aside, God fights with her elongated arms and roars in pain. It seems that, because of its extremely speedy growth from fetus to adult(?), the lower half of its body is only bones. This makes it totally immobile, but it can still attack very well.

Its symbolism is crazy.

"Prior to battling God, Heather (The protagonist) jumps down a vertical hole, symbolic of a ruptured vagina, while the room in which God rests could be seen as the womb. This may be a metaphor of Heather entering the womb and defeating God before She has the chance to leave. God is fought deep underground, as opposed to a high location such as a roof, which could be symbolic that God, or at least the Order's god, is linked closer to mankind, Hell or Earth than someplace celestial such as the sky, Heaven or cosmos.

Heather's battle against God could be seen as a representation of her overcoming her dark past as Alessa, and desire to purge the influence of the Order from the world. It is also speculated that God is a morphed and brutally disfigured form of Claudia combined with the power of the unborn fetus, much like the Incubator. If this is true, Claudia has literally become a vessel of God's power and Heather's beliefs could be just a misunderstanding of the actual situation. This also explains the absence of Claudia's corpse. The monster's legs are deformed and bone-like, which can suggest the pains and agony of birthing God in a vulgar way.God is a manifestation of the Order's namesake deity, yet does not resemble Her. She is a powerful god that is much like the Incubus orIncubator, in which She spawns in a physical form determined by the birth mother's thoughts of how she should look. In this case, God resembles Alessa, as Claudia thought that God would resemble her, and held Alessa very close to her heart. Her monstrous aspect could be due to Heather's thoughts on how the god of such a twisted cult would look - this, combined with the fact that it was Heather's hate and anger that nurtured Her in her uterus, makes it likely that Heather's perception of the god could influence Her eventual appearance, despite the fact that Heather does not birth Her properly. It is unknown how God would have looked or behaved if Heather had properly given birth to Her, and not Claudia.

As in the paintings of God in the chapel, Her status as a divine being is evidenced by the blood-red veil that hangs above Her, and She is impervious as long as She is draped in it. In many countries, it is a custom that when a person dies, a veil is drawn over their eyes. Valtiel is seen covering God's eyes with the veil, which can be seen as a symbol of God "dying" the first time. Throughout the battle, God constantly hides under Her veil and leaves it, symbolic of rebirth. The veil may also be symbolic of the placenta, an organ inside of the womb that is vital for the fetus to receive nutrients from its mother, something that could connect to God evidently being malnourished. When spread out, the placenta is also somewhat transparent, supporting the veil possibility.

God can also be symbolic of what the Order, as a whole, truly is: diabolical instead of divine. God shares some physical characteristics with the Incubus/Samael, who even in the Order's beliefs is a demon. They both have similar tan coloration and also the strange, circular breast shape. God's slight, physical sync with Samael may suggest the truth of what any god of the Order would genuinely be: demonic.

God's fire ability is likely influenced by the belief Claudia and Alessa shared that the world "must be cleansed by fire" prior to Her arrival."

So, yes, I believe God to be one of the scariest monsters in the game.

brandenschirpke117

Con

I must agree, i found that character very unnerving. i'll admit, i'm a silent hill casual, so i have vague memories of some of the older games, and haven't played some of the newer one's. That being said, i remember the pyramid head freaking me out. The eye always gave me chills, and i was young at the time, and was scared easily. The killing of Maria was really interesting (and scary) to me.
Debate Round No. 2
ImaRealMeanie

Pro

Thanks for continuing the debate!

And here's my second monster, the Closer!

http://silenthill.wikia.com...

It is huge. It has these big ol' bag arms that it swings at you, its head twitches, and did I mention it is huge? You absolutely have to fight this thing almost everytime you encounter it, even though I usually just run away screaming from this thing. And did you know this monstosity is the first monster you encounter? Yeah. Warm welcome from Silent Hill, everybody!

The Closer may be a manifestation of Alessa Gillespie's memories of her mother's abuse, hence the enlarged arms. The Closer's arms also seem to resemble punching bags, further alluding to Heather's repressed memories of being abused. It is also similar to one of the monsters Alessa used to draw when she was young.

It could be a distorted interpretation of real people: mall shoppers. It is reminiscent of a figure holding a shopping bag in each hand. This is supported by the fact that it first appears in the Central Square Shopping Center. Its mouth is the most prominent feature on the face, possibly reflecting the idea that mall shoppers talk too much.

There is a running theme of maternity and femininity in Silent Hill 3 and many of its monsters due to the central conflict of the game centering on impregnation in the the Order's attempts to force Heather to birth their god. The Closer's face can be thought of to look like labia (vaginal lips), which correlates with this theme. Also connecting the Closer to the theme of impregnation or maternity is the sounds it will emit when fallen; the Closer will make very loud moaning noises, all the while writhing about on the floor. This can be seen as reminiscent of sexual intercourse.

To you, con!

brandenschirpke117

Con

I'm going to refer to the demo that caught everyone's eye, P.T. Lisa was scary in the sense of how she messed with you psychologically. Besides the occasional jump scare she has. there's also her possessions, the hauntings, and her evil grin. She also has a compelling backstory. The story goes that while she was pregnant, her husband went insane and shot her at close range in the stomach. This is why her stomach is bloody and the "fetus" (which is a jellybean with a face) in the sink.
Debate Round No. 3
ImaRealMeanie

Pro

If the fetus thing in P.T. is a jellybean with a face, I am never eating jellybeans again.

My next monster is, lo and don't behold... Amnion! http://silenthill.wikia.com...

Amnion just... look at that thing! It has crazy metal spider legs that are connected to a water-logged pregnant lady, she throws up whatever the heck it is, and when she dies, you cut open her stomach to find your dead younger brother!

Amnion could be seen as representing Joshua's anger towards Alex for his death, and also his desire to have Alex accept what he'd done. Another view on the creature argues that she could represent Alex's guilt regarding Joshua's death.

Her form is derived mainly from Joshua's death via drowning and his love of insects and spiders, as evidenced by his collection and drawings. She is also representative of the fact that Joshua was "babied" by his parents, and was called a baby by Alex not long before his death; this notion is supported when Alex cuts Amnion open to see Joshua's body in the fetal position. She slightly resembles Arachne, a Greco-Roman spider woman whose pride caused her to not acknowledge where her knowledge came from, and may be a representation of Alex refusing to accept his brother's death.

Further symbolism of the theme of birth and Joshua's death include: the name "Amnion" referencing theamniotic sac that surrounds a fetus, the tube of water protruding from her mouth referring to the act of drowning as well as the imagery of an umbilical cord, and the iron lung component used for Amnion's "neck", which is indicative of a breathing aid. The body of Amnion's first form is also clearly bloated and gray in tone, appearing very sickly and deprived of oxygen, which are traits very commonly found in a drowning victim. The "leg" contraptions of Amnion appear to have a rust-like texture; Iron gradually rusts when exposed to water, offering more symbolism towards Joshua's cause of death.

The extending neck is reminiscent of a view camera, which may symbolize Joshua's love for photography. The similarity that Amnion's legs have, and also her way of death (flipping upside down and legs crumbling up), to a spider symbolizes Joshua's love for spiders.

To you, con!

brandenschirpke117

Con

sorry for the delay in my response, internet cuts in and out at the moment (damn you frontier)
my next choice will be the wheelman!

The wheelman is from silent hill: downpour, and is the second to last boss in the game. He repeatedly taunts you, and his design is a play on humanities attempts to keep the dead alive through life support.
Debate Round No. 4
ImaRealMeanie

Pro

Thank you for completing this debate, by the way!

My final and last monster will be... the Needler! http://silenthill.wikia.com...

Its head is between its legs. Yup.

Its head is located between its legs, a design choice that, when combined with its reclining posture and stirrup-like leg blades, may be intended to viscerally symbolize childbirth which is a constant theme in the Silent Hill series, and a particularly emergent theme in Silent Hill: Homecoming. The "needles" themselves may be expressions of the surgical orbitoclasts used in a frontal lobotomy, or simply represent hypodermic needles used to inject psychotropic medications. The severed head might also foreshadow the manner of Joshua Shepherd's death: a broken neck.

Elaborating on the childbirth reference, since Alex Shepherd had always been second to his brother Joshua, the Needler itself may be a physical manifestation of the way Alex perceives Joshua's birth. This is emphasized by the Needler only appearing when Alex starts to realize how much more affection Joshua received than him.

The Needler's appearance is vaguely arachnid in nature, which may symbolize Joshua's interest in spiders.

Thanks again, Con! This was really fun to debate!
brandenschirpke117

Con

My pleasure, i enjoyed this, and it also reminds me that i need to pick up silent hill again......
my final monster will be.....THE MISSIONARY!
between his noose and bag appearance, and his remarkably fast reflexes, he is not a boss that i was particularly fond of fighting against. He is able to block most gunshots with his weapons, but couldn't block shotgun blasts, which meant you had to get close to him. He seemed to walk aimlessly, until he sprung right at you.

I thank you for the debate, and await the results. thanks pro!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
the invisible babies in the hospital from the original. They always freaked me out!
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
the invisible babies in the hospital from the original. They always freaked me out!
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
The protagonist would be a good choice.
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