What kind of God to believe ?
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Evolution is the most accepted theory of how every living thing in this world came to existence.Evolution based on large number of bone records and historical facts and time facts is considered worthless in the world of religion because it directly states that Adam and eve suddenly came to existence.So my first question is that i need someone to tell me how these two theories complete each other or in other words how they does not contradict each other .
religion is a theory that claims to provide a system on how to live life and, in what forms, stating that if a person does wrong he will go to hell and if he was a good person he will go to heaven .
as we all know in order to prove a theory wrong you only need to prove any branch of it wrong thus the theory as a whole will be unstable and can't be trusted.
Good, in the world we have 20 different major religions not mentioning the branches each religion make.All these religion have a lot of common ground which is something very normal because calling to do the right thing has be proven to inspire and give people trust so we should not be amazed by this .
Now Islam contradicts Christianity and vice versa and both of them contradict the whole concept of the Buddhist's state of mind importance ,and so on the whole systems contradict each other even with smallest details .So we will come out with only 3 theories with no other on what to believe concerning religion :
1-all are true
2-only one is true
3-all are wrong
1-As said before these theories(religion) contradict each other so badly even we the smallest details and these small details can be used as evidence because scriptures of books claim that it is the world of God and God can't be mistaken even with the smallest details .And for those who say that God will punish each one according to his religion i say that in this case God will be unfair because certain religion give its followers some important right that other religion strictly prohibits. So definitely we can say that not all theories are true.
2-Only one is true is not the case because even if a religion can prove everything that is written in its scripture is true and it is really true then the God this religion holds will definitely punish people holding other religions even with the smallest details and God can not blame people for not switching their religion because the original one is claiming to be the true one so the person will fall into pure contradiction with himself.
3-Well all theories are proven wrong but this one which seem to me the true one or in other words religion is a man made phenomena in order to maintain some control over an uncontrollable society with making them fear something that people cant find an answer to except to believe or some other own advantages or the person is psychologically ill
My opening statement is that i need someone to tell me where does he/she think I am wrong in order for me to get more deeply into details in explaining my theory.
However, let's take your final sentence wherein you ask for someone else to do the thinking for you.
At some point in our lives, we are children who want questions answered, usually, by adults.
At another point in our lives, we realize that we can and, maybe, will, become adults who answer questions.
Often, we, simply, give the answers that were given to us by someone else.
If all you are is an unquestioning repository of regurgitation, I ask, is there another way to use your
brain than for storage?
Now, let's take the idea of god.
1. all ideas of god were designed, originally, by brains who thought that earth is flat
2. the human brain is structured to find answers, even bad answers, so that it can go to sleep.
1 and 2 point out that religion is a pretty sad choice indeed.
3. there is only one thing that is omnipotent, sin-free, ubiquitous, all-powerful, cruel/kind, in another dimension and perfect
It is not human, vertebrate or dark matter or light.
It is MATH.
MATH is the only thing that fulfills all the requirements of being god.
If you NEEEEEEEEED a god to believe in that is human-shaped, I want to point out that such a thing
would get straight "A"s in MATH.
Do you get straight "A"s in MATH?
First of all i must make my point clear concerning on what side am I on and what do i believe in exactly so that we can argue towards our beliefs and slide down to some small details.
I am a person who thinks that religion is not the force from God on earth because as i said and argued before it is not possible to have an earth functioning with over 20 different major branches in religions that contradict each other so badly and have them all true that is impossible or the God of religion will then be considered non-fair , petty , non logical , and pretty non realistic and i don't think the world with all it's amazing content is as such petty and stupid as mentioned .But on the other side my mind doesn't deny that their must be some sort of power that made something from nothing , that made the earth reach this far knowing that we have high odds of getting smashed by the monstrous,non-stable outer space and by the continuous explosions that not even a triple layer of ozone can defend but though we still made it to 4.5 billion years and counting, the perfection of having all the means of life in a perfect way with sufficient resources to make human beings make it through the day is definitely something,but you got me wrong in saying if you must have a God then it's MATH, well i didn't mention any statement that will refer that i need or want a God ,and your Math isn't not enough to explain human behavior, psychology, and many other emotional sides of humans and you made math the theory that will explain everything though it's not ,so you focused on the logic, and Science and forgot dealing with a big major form which is the behavior and emotions, and also I am only saying that there must be something that made non-logical things logical and comprehensible, but if you ask me what does this great power intend to do with the universe i must say i don't know and I am sure no body knows because of the contradictions every thing have.
Well let me tell that whatever choice you make in life concerning what to believe in or what to hold as your conviction towards life and its branches, will definitely have some contradictions that will make you feel lost , now that your an atheist then as a definition you must believe that the world started by the big bang .
For now I am going to take this issue and make it our center of debate because i almost agree with the atheistic thoughts on 80 % of it's philosophy and it's logic on how to think towards life.
my question to due concerning this issue:
1-You as a person of science and facts must know that matter can be neither created nor destroyed and in all forms .
Albert Einstein the idol in the theoretical physics and science formulated that energy if used right can changed into mass or matter and vise versa . The question is how do you explain the initial energy found in the universe that changed into matter afterwards ?where does it come from ? and how does the idealistic forms of equation science has this big major contradiction of having something from nothing .
Assumption is a very poor tool in debate.
Your first sentence is ASSUMPTION
1-you said ("Assumption is a very poor tool in debate.") which is funny from three sides
a-first side is that I actually didn't make any assumptions, my round one's writings wasn't directed to people like you, what I did in round one is that I just presented a hypothesis about something, and I said if any person seem to find a mistake, or non-logical statements in my speech, I want him to be my opponent so we can debate about the differences between us and when I saw you responding to my round 1 with ultimate off-topic issues I said let me make my self more clear because he seem to miss my point and I thought that rather then canceling my debate I should find some debatable issues between you and me because initially you wasn't the one meant in my topic and the biggest evidence is that you saw a very important reason for you to stop the debate because of my sentence .
my statement ("Okay maybe I didn't make my point very clear") which you saw an assumption that is very dangerous in your point of view, and you saw that you can't continue the debate you didn't write anything in, then I must tell you, you are far away from understanding anything from the whole point.
b-you seem to talk only about my style and my punctuation and my way of writing and my grammar and you seem to evaluate my psychology,not my writings, so I must tell you because as I said you seem new to this, Dear opponent the evaluation of me either my punctuation nor my style nor my speech is not your task at all, you as an opponent must write what you got to defend yourself or to present something, not to evaluate your opponent, because it is the job of the audience to evaluate the two sides. not you .
c-If you see that ASSUMPTIONS is a very dangerous thing in debate let me correct you by saying that our topic have no answers, or have no direct answer that can be considered as a fact in the world, so we don't have any other tool or way but to assume things and evaluate them in reality to see if they are reasonable, logical, and can be considered as a valid theory because when you debate theories , you debate assumptions, so really really I don't know what you had in mind when you said such thing and messed the whole debate.
Now what I see for this whole thing, is that from the two rounds you didn't answer anything I wanted, or asked my opponent to answer, and the biggest evidence is your response in round 2 and the comment were you mentioned ( " Are you aware that galaxies, that are bigger, swallow galaxies that are smaller?") which is something is far away from what I asked you to answer you just deviated the speech because in my point of view you have no answer to the beginning of things and you rather speak about something else to make the audience lost, rather then saying you don't know.
I asked you that the initial energy found in the universe that started everything from the very beginning where does it come from, and all I got from you is some issues about the big universe eating the small or I don't know what ...
So as a conclusion I hope you learned something new from this and I hope you study your responses more accurately.
This is what I understand from your long-winded, repeating-yourself.
1. you do not find anything valuable or logical in the manymanymany religions offered but
2. the main sticking point that you find in the questions and answers of the religious is that
something cannot be made from nothing.
Does this compile your first post?
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