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What was germany's bigger mistake in WW2 declaring on the USA(pro) or invading the Soviet Union(co)?

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Started: 12/1/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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volcan

Con

round 1:acception

round 2,3:main arguments

round 4: rebuttal

in the end of that day invading the Soviet Union did worst for germany
DudeHouse

Pro

Invading Soviet Union was not a mistake by Germany. There were some bad decisions, miscalculations, and outside factors that led to it's failure.

After World War 1, the Soviet Union devoted all of it's available resources to preparing for war. It had factories, hidden to the rest of the world, where tank, plane, and munitions were being built and stockpiled. At the time of the German invasion, the Soviet Union's war production was beginning to catch up with Germany's. On top of that, the Soviet Union had immense natural resources that Germany needed for it's war machine.

Declaring war on the United States was a mistake. Germany did it, largely due to it's alliance with Japan, to ensure that Japan continued it's war with the Soviet Union. Germany thought that Japan could have more of an effect on the Soviet Union, however, in reality Japan did not have the type of force to invade the Soviet Union.

Although America is thought of as having close ties with Great Britain, these ties were not so close before WW2. Before WW2, America and Great Britain were competing for trade in the Atlantic, with America's Navy becoming comparatively stronger. A secret American document called War Plan Red actually contains top secret plans about a planned American war with Great Britain, where America invades Canada to take it from Great Britain.

An often forgotten fact is that there was a very large population of German immigrants and citizens with German ancestry in America at the time. There was even a growing Nazi group in America.

Also, there was a very strong Isolationist mentality by the American people. After the death and destruction of WW1, the American people did not want to jump in headfirst into Europe's wars.

Keep in mind, that America did not just jump into WW2 solely to be heros. America had a huge economic stake due to the debt that Great Britain owed to it. America sat on the sidelines, and let the other powers wear themselves down. Then it jumped in on the winning side to make conquered countries pro-American.

If Germany did not declare war on America, then Germany would have gotten to fight Britain alone. At some point, Britain would have become weak, an America might have realized that it would be impossible for Britain to repay its war debts. Therefore America would get it payment in the next best way, by grabbing the assets backing the debt --- Britain itself!

America may not have joined the war in this case, but it still may have remained neutral. Both scenarios would have been much better for Germany.
Debate Round No. 1
volcan

Con

Ok first off thanks for taking this debate.

Ok in a previsous debate, it was stated that germany would have lost whether America joined or not. So the USSR was a big problem to germany then the usa. Its made clear in the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk.
DudeHouse

Pro

Please re-read your statement:
"What was germany's bigger mistake in WW2 declaring on the USA(pro) or invading the Soviet Union(co)?"

Then please read my argument in Round 1. Here's the ultimate point below:
"Invading Soviet Union was not a mistake by Germany. There were some bad decisions, miscalculations, and outside factors that led to it's failure." - Germany made the correct decision here.

Declaring war on USA was a mistake. It was done to appease their Japanese allies, but it ultimately hastened the end of the war. - This was a big mistake.

Bottom Line:
A big mistake is a bigger mistake than the correct decision.
Debate Round No. 2
volcan

Con

volcan forfeited this round.
DudeHouse

Pro

DudeHouse forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
volcan

Con

sorry school stuff happened

OK Hitler was not ready for invading the Soviet Union. He was still at war with Britain. It would had been better to wait to invade the USSR till Britain was beat. Also for me, a mistake is anything that screws you over majorly and ruins you in the long run. Germany was screwed for the rest of the war after the battles of Moscow and Stalingrad.
DudeHouse

Pro

DudeHouse forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DudeHouse 2 years ago
DudeHouse
So what does your neighbor think when you refuse to sign a non-aggression pact?
Posted by Vajrasattva-LeRoy 2 years ago
Vajrasattva-LeRoy
The idea that attacking the so-called "USSR" wasn't a major mistake for
Nazi Germany obviously doesn't make sense.

One fact that you're apparently overlooking is the fact that Nazi Germany
& the "USSR" had signed a mutual nonaggression pact before the invasion.

Nobody can trust a country that signs a nonaggression pact, then turns around & attacks.

Proving a negative is Impossible.
Trying to figure out one's worse mistake doesn't make sense.
Posted by volcan 2 years ago
volcan
cool
Posted by DudeHouse 2 years ago
DudeHouse
I'll make the case for usa
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