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When peaceful protests are met with a violent state response, the protesters should remain peaceful

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Started: 4/9/2015 Category: People
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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evgeni_marchev

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Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Opening arguments
Round 3: Rebuttals/Arguments
Round 4: Rebuttals/Conclusion (no new arguments)
imsmarterthanyou98

Con

I accept :)
Debate Round No. 1
evgeni_marchev

Pro

To begin with, I"ll provide some definitions in order to frame this debate. By violence, I mean physical or moral actions used by the officials.
In this debate I want to focus your attention on how protesters respond usually to violence coming from the police and whether this solves the problem.
For example, around 250 000 people died during the Arab Spring. There are democratic ways to prevent the deaths of people. Imagine the numbers of people if they would"ve responded violently " it could"ve been doubled or even tripled.
We should not forget that the original aim of the protest is maintaining peace. The long-term impact of nonviolent movements is impressive. Remaining peaceful, people have succeeded in toppling dictators, achieving political transitions and so on.
We would not let people"s voices to be left unheard while they are simply being beaten up on the streets. In order to solve the problem, we need dialogue and negotiations. For this purpose, we are proposing loose networks and informal grassroots associations, which will be formed by activists. In order to disturb the government, we need such organizations that will spearheaded political change. Such organizations have helped in the situations in Serbia, Ukraine, Tunisia, Egypt or Yemen.
And how do these organizations actually work? Once they are founded, they will represent society as a whole with legitimacy derived directly from the street. Their leaders will be the most prominent activists. Once they are chosen, they will hold negotiations with the government for the necessary changes. It is applicable and democratic. One successful example of such organizations could be seen in former Czechoslovakia. Civic Forum (CF) in the Czech lands and the Public Against Violence (PAV) in Slovakia, were founded. The groups demanded "the resignation of the Communist government, the release of prisoners of conscience, and investigations into the November 17 police action." After only a few days of further actions and protests, the Communist Party resigned and the new democratic state was formed. We should indeed follow this model if we want to succeed and see any change!
So now I"ll present my arguments.
1.If the citizens choose violence over peace, they will shift their focus from the initial goal. Remember that the protest is peaceful. There is no logical explanation for the people to turn it into a violent one.
If people choose to do such thing, however, they will forget what they are protesting against. Their aim will be left out and, instead, they will be only thinking about which policeman to hit.
2.Violence doesn"t lead to anything good. If the police chose to beat you up, it"s up to them. However, you shouldn"t get down to their level. People should keep their dignity and act like civilized people. You"re not an animal, for God"s sake!
Violence will eventually promote anarchy. People will be fighting with each other on the streets and no one wants to see that. When you want something to change, you want your voice to be heard. Well, how do you expect your voice to be heard when you"re in the crowd among hundreds, even thousands of people, who are fighting?
imsmarterthanyou98

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Although it may be beneficial in certain situations, peaceful protests met with violence are quite simply no longer peaceful , and therfore the proper response cannot be to remain at peace.


Argument.


1. Peaceful protests will be destroyed rather quickly by a violent state response if they allow themselves to be and if they do not put up a fight

2. Therfore the original purpose of the protest whatever it may be , has a greater chance of dying and not accomplishing its goal since the protest and therfore the movement itself will be eliminated.

3.If the protesters respond with violence instead of peace, they will at least put up a fight against the state and therfore will stand a greater chance of not dying out and being eliminated entirely by the state.

Conclusion.

It is more beneficial if protesters do not remain peaceful, since if they do so they will stand a greater chance of not being eliminated entirely by the violent state.

So protesters SHOULD NOT remain peaceful when met with a violent state response.
Debate Round No. 2
evgeni_marchev

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imsmarterthanyou98

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Debate Round No. 3
evgeni_marchev

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imsmarterthanyou98

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Terminal_Truths 2 years ago
Terminal_Truths
Well... the whole point of a protest is to get your view across to those in power, when you feel you have very little. If the ones in power use violence against your freedom of speech (especially when it was of peaceful value) then the ones in power are simply oppressing themselves onto you, keeping control of you no matter how much you disapprove of it. This kind of leadership is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated at all, and so I think that if a peaceful protest is interrupted by a violent state response then the protesters shouldn't necessarily stay peaceful (in an ever changing world with ever changing values and a vast dichotomy of power, you simply mustn't allow those in power to pull all of your life strings, as if you were their puppet their own special stage).
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