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Adeejaay23
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M57D57I67
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Whether students should wear uniforms Part 2

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Started: 11/24/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Adeejaay23

Pro

1)Students should have school uniforms because it creates a feeling of "oneness" and produce a feeling of being on the same team, which would reduce bullying by a great deal. http://edsource.org......

2) Most of bullying is caused because the less wealthy students cannot afford name brand clothing, which has an adverse effect on their self-esteem and their educational motivation.

C) All schools should mandate school uniforms
M57D57I67

Con

1) Other efforts can be made to make students feel more united that don't include stripping them of their individuality.

2) While it"s true that less wealthy students can't always afford to compete with other students, lesser fortunate students won"t always be able to afford the high prices of school uniforms.

3) School uniforms negatively enforce the idea that all people are the same, should look the same, and should fit in with everyone else. Schools should promote individuality rather than enforcing conformity.
Pro"s argument can be considered a Red Herring fallacy argument because their focal points are centered on bullying instead of school uniforms.

C) All schools should not mandate or require school uniforms.
Debate Round No. 1
Adeejaay23

Pro

School uniforms are not necessarily expensive, most schools allow students to purchase uniforms from outside the school, meaning you can always find discounts while back to school shopping. And I agree other efforts can be made to make students feel united, like joining a club or a team. But the reality is the whole student body can't participate in one single club or one team, the best way to include the entire student body in a unifying manner is to appoint students to professional school attire, which they will be using in their future careers as well. And uniforms are not stripping of them of their individuality instead it will be used to even the starting points in all students' character, and allow them to be judged on their actions in the school as in joining clubs or participating in school events, instead of how many name brand clothes you have or whether or not you are under the poverty line. Which in turn is preparing them for their future careers, because in reality you will be hired on how many internships or volunteer work you've done, your actions not how good you look in a suit. And my argument does not contain Red Herring because everything I said is relevant to school uniforms, its just one of the reasons school uniforms are promoted and bullying is a big reason, the topic of safety is commonly brought up and what it does is make gang identification is obscured. Group violence and theft are dissipated... Children are no longer identified by their 'colors.' Uniform dress alleviated the feelings of imminent danger for students who were afraid they might inadvertently dress in gang colors. As well as prevent bullying as I've stated before. Your argument on the other hand presents itself with the straw man fallacy because you misrepresented my conclusion by saying it strips individuality and then attacked it with the oncoming premises. Conclusion: School uniforms are inexpensive, safe, and should be required by schools.
M57D57I67

Con

Being forced to wear school uniforms will do little to prevent bullying from happening. If a student isn't being bullied about their clothing they could get picked on for what shoes they wear or what accessories or backpack they have. School Uniforms don't create a safer environment but instead enforce a more hostile one. Students who violate the uniform dress code can be taken out of instructional time based on their outfit. Some students might also stress over having enough uniforms or how much money they spent on their uniform, these feelings exist with both regular clothing and uniform apparel. While uniform policies try to even the playing field among students, students find ways to break the dress code or modify their uniform to outshine each other. Uniforms don't even the playing field instead they create a whole other playing field that students still compete on. School uniforms enforce unrealistic expectations of unity amongst a large number of people. In the real world you don't dress exactly the same as the person next to you. Everyone strives to be their own person in society and one way of showcasing your individuality is through uniforms. Students can begin to lose a sense of individuality by continuously looking like everyone else. Students should have the right to express themselves through their choice of dress as long as it abides by the safety dress code regulations. Uniforms can't fix the bigger picture of creating a safer environment for students to attend.
Debate Round No. 2
Adeejaay23

Pro

Referring to your hostile "environment claim" school uniforms eliminate baggy clothing which eliminates any concealment of weaponry. Bullying will happen regardless, I am not stating that uniforms will prevent this horrible act, but instead it will at least lower it by a certain degree. There are a lot of measures to prevent bullying and this is a great way to start the prevention of it. They do not enforce an unrealistic expectation instead it helps students strive to be a lawyer or a doctor, someone with a certain type of professionalism. The stress of not having enough uniforms can be easily combated with my previous claim, buy them at discount prices. But this solution doesn't exist with modern day apparel because anyone would see that you bought something in the clearance isle and then you get bullied for it. Preventing schools from having uniforms is just taking a step back in the fight against bullying. Uniforms play no downside in the educational realm, and you claim it doesn't help, Statistics show that it at least does something and if that's all we got in this fight we should take it.
M57D57I67

Con

School Uniforms promote school staffs control over the students. Students are no longer given the tools need to succeed and are instead forced to conform in order to succeed. Wearing school uniforms can cause stress on a student to dress and act like everyone else in order to abide by the rules. Public Schools should not be able to enforce uniform dress codes because they are free institutions open to all. Uniforms cannot be totally enforced in public schools because it can then violate the open policy of accepting students. Students who cannot economically afford a student uniform can become discouraged from attending school and feel unwelcome. Student Uniforms do little to improve a students education. If students aren't distracted by their clothing choices they will find something else to get side tracked with. Student mandated uniforms will take away from student expressive individuality. Some students express themselves through their clothing choices and find common interests with others based on shared fashion choices. If a student can't express themselves through their outfit choices their personal identity and individuality is compromised. Thought school uniforms would aim at increasing students success, the solution is too controlling and the benefits wont out weight the means. If all students are forced to wear uniforms what would be next? Administrative approved backpacks?
Debate Round No. 3
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Vote Placed by BLAHthedebator 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Although pro used sources, their arguments were just not enough. Con on the other hand made much stronger arguments, thus arguments to Con.
Vote Placed by Gabe1e 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro used more sources, but Con in my opinion was more convincing.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: pro only one to use sources, rest is tied because it's student safety versus their individuality...too close to call.