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Kcolgan
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KimSnyder
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Which came first? Chicken pro or egg con?

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Kcolgan
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Started: 12/16/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Kcolgan

Con

I"d say it"s the egg. A chicken is defined by what it is, not by the kind of animal it gives birth to or by the kind of egg it lays. A horse is a horse even if it gives birth to a mule. But an egg is defined by the kind of creature it contains. An egg holding a chicken is a "chicken egg," no matter what laid it. The same with a robin. If a robin pops out of an egg, it"s a robin egg. So if you believe in evolution, at some point a creature that was almost a chicken laid an egg that contained a chicken, and as an egg is defined by the kind of creature it contains, the egg came first.
KimSnyder

Pro

You are totally wrong, if you think about it without a chicken there never would have been an egg because the chicken lays the egg. The answer, they say, is the chicken. Researchers found that the formation of egg shells relies on a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries. Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken.
Debate Round No. 1
Kcolgan

Con

no you are wrong because how did a chicken become a chicken you can not just proof up a chicken a chicken needs to be hatched so the first chicken must have been hatched by an egg that was created by a very similar animal. we all come from a single celled organism so chickens do not just appear. evolution exists and the egg will always come before the chicken.
KimSnyder

Pro

British scientists claim to have solved one of the great mysteries of life, the universe and everything in it: The chicken came before the egg, they say, and they're not mincing words.

"It had long been suspected that the egg came first, but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first," Sheffield University's Dr Colin Freeman, according to a report in the Metro.

Researchers from Scotland and England used a supercomputer called HECToR to look in such detail at a chicken eggshell that they were able to determine the vital role of a protein used to kick-start the egg's formation.

That protein is only found, wait for it... inside a chicken.

Freeman, who worked on HECToR with counterparts at Edinburgh's Warwick University, said the protein had been identified earlier by scientists and was known to be linked to egg formation, "but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process," he added, describing it as a catalyst.

Professor John Harding, who also took part in the research, told Metro the discovery could have other applications.

"Understanding how chickens make shells is fascinating in itself, but can also give clues towards designing new materials." he said.

Which is good, because in spite of HECToR's hard work and the "scientific proof" it yielded, the study offered no explanation as to how the chicken got there in the first place
Debate Round No. 2
Kcolgan

Con

At some point, a chicken-like bird produced an offspring that, due to some mutation in its DNA, crossed the threshold from mere chicken likeness into chicken actuality. That is to say, a proto-chicken gave birth to a real-life official chicken. And since that real-life official chicken came out of its own egg, we can say that the egg came first.

Another way to look at the question would be to ask which came first in evolutionary history. Once again, the egg takes precedence. Many characteristics of the modern avian egg"namely an oblong, asymmetrical shape and a hardened shell"were in place before birds diverged from dinosaurs about 150 million years ago. "A lot of the traits that we see in bird eggs evolved prior to birds in theropod dinosaurs," says Darla Zelenitsky, of the University of Calgary.

Another key moment in the history of avian eggs occurred at least 150 million years before that, when a subset of four-limbed vertebrates evolved to produce amniotic eggs. The embryos within the eggs were surrounded by three fluid-filled membranes that provide nourishment, protection, and a way to breathe. The earliest amniotic eggs contained large amounts of yolk, says James R. Stewart, a reproductive physiologist at East Tennessee State University. "You still see that in birds, crocodilians, and snakes," he explains. Like other placental mammals, we humans lost our yolk somewhere along the line, but our eggs still come with a vestigial yolk sac.
KimSnyder

Pro

No, the chicken most definitely came before the egg. there is scientific evidence that proves the chicken came first because without the chicken the egg would never be layed. God created the first humans as just humans without mothers, or eggs being fertilized. So with that being said, God first created chickens and not the eggs. Think about it, an egg doesn't just fall from the sky and what comes out of it as you guessed, a baby chick! Also, eggs come from hens. Chickens do come from eggs but I believe that the first chicken whom lived on earth was created by God and had no mother. Same as the first man on earth was created by God whom also had no mother.

A baby forms when the female's egg is fertilized with the male's sperm. But that just wasn't always the case when it comes to being the FIRST man on earth.
The egg could not have hatched if the chicken had not come first. Eggs only hatch at the end of an incubation period during which they are kept warm by the mother hen, who sits on them. Also, hens only lay eggs after being fertilized by a rooster. Therefore, the chicken had to come first, because if there was no rooster to fertilize the chicken, then there would be no egg. And if there was no chicken to sit on the egg, then it wouldn't have hatched.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DaveRamseyRKO 1 year ago
DaveRamseyRKO
Chicken came first because eggs can't come anywhere. I'm an eggspert.
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Vote Placed by Jingle_Bombs 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro's science, if provable, only confirms that a chicken comes before a "chicken egg" and not eggs themselves. The article from Pro still offers no conclusive theory as to how the first chicken actually came into being. But where Pro would then insist that all earthly creatures were thus first created by God, Con actually puts together a reasonable argument that all life must begin from single celled organisms, which according to evolution theory, will more closely resemble eggs then their complex /multicellular counterparts.
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Reasons for voting decision: I have know this before this debate. The Instigator may have not researched about his agenda. Though you had more convincing allegations, you cannot remove that a fact is a fact. Congratulations to you both.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con presented a slightly better case. The specific scientific evidence for Pro's position was nice, but unfortunately the case didn't make any logical sense, and then incorporated a completely unproven and scientifically inaccurate spiritual argument. Some of Con's information isn't accurate, but there were only minor mistakes that did not affect the integrity of the argument.
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Reasons for voting decision: PRO showed proof from science that the chicken in fact came first. However CON simply did not have any evidence.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro did refer to a study but failed to source the study therefore it can only be taken as an assertion. Pro failed to address where the first chicken came from, was it livebirth, egg etc. Con's contention was that a chicken like animal over time laid an egg containing a modern chicken. Although this contention is also unsourced to me it is more convincing, therefore con wins my vote.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con just did not have evidence to back up his claim while Pro seemed to provide evidences from actual science.