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Which is worse, Dogmatism or Self-Deception?

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Started: 3/29/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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JohnnyBadNews666

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Is it possible to be so Self-Deceptive that it turns into Dogmatism?
I for one believe so, and I also believe that Self-Deception is a far better personality quirk to possess instead of the incoherence and close mindedness that is Dogmatism.
If you believe Dogmatism is the lesser of two evils, then please explain how.
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Debate Round No. 1
JohnnyBadNews666

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I propose that Self-Deception is the lesser of two evils. Self-Deception entails a belief in one's opinion, somewhat ignoring other opinions viewed as lesser to the individual. Dogmatism is a warped version of this, bordering on personality disorder that includes such personalities as Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Dogmatism is the forcing of a belief onto another individual, which in itself is just wrong.
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Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler did what they did the best that they could and what they did was instill fear and force their views on others, it is better than merely sitting back in a pointless state of self-deception achieving nothing in the long run other than a false sense of fulfillment.

Dogmatists win in life, Self-deceivers simply find false satisfaction in their delusion.
Debate Round No. 2
JohnnyBadNews666

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That's not always the case though. Self-Deception can go a long way for positive things too, like for example, The Beatles.
The Beatles were a bunch of young guys from a poor part of England that consistently believed themselves to be the best band in the world even before they were famous. There was at least a hint of Self-Deception there, believing yourself to be the best when you are at the bottom of the economic food chain. But they used their false belief and turned it into a reality through the use of believing in their beliefs and did become the greatest band in the world in the 60s. Of course the greatest band part is an opinion, but their success was attributed at least partly to their Self-Deception and was turned to both a reality and monstrous success. Self-Deception is more than just installing a sense of fear like Dogmatism can be, it's like tricking yourself into believing something that seems to be an impossible goal, but nevertheless has been achieved countless times. 9/11 was a false flag.
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The Beatles that you describe are dogmatists, they think they are the best than all others. Self-delusion is specifically being bad or good at something and thinking one is the opposite. The Beatles, Hitler and Stalin were all good at what they did, there was no self-delusion (although Hitler finally failed because be became more deluded than down to Earth dogmatic).

Dogmatism encourages confidence, self-delusion makes one forever disappointed with results that were expected to be far higher.
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