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Which team won civil war? (pro-team cap, con- team iron man)

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Started: 5/12/2016 Category: Movies
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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lord_megatron

Con

Give me a good debate this time please
Adam_Godzilla

Pro

Well this'll be interesting. Spoiler warning.

Why do you think iron man won when clearly Cap broke his arc reactor?
Debate Round No. 1
lord_megatron

Con

I have watched the movie, so my argument has many spoilers.
Team Iron Man won as Captain America lost his shield, failed to impact the Sokovia accords, got his entire team declared as fugitives and in the end, Bucky had to be shut down.
As for Iron Man's arc reactor, he can easily build another suit. Even in this movie he was using Mark 45 or some other new suit. But Captain America has lost his shield. It is true he gave it by choice, but still, he lost his vibranium shield, and vibranium is a rare element. I don't need to add that he is no builder, and that without the shield he has lesser chance of beating Iron Man or other supervillains.
Bucky shut himself down by choice, but then again, Captain America had ran away from the final stand due to Bucky. Although Bucky was saved, Captain America couldn't bring back his childhood friend and had him in stasis.
Adam_Godzilla

Pro

I have watched the movie, so my argument has many spoilers.
Team Iron Man won as Captain America lost his shield, failed to impact the Sokovia accords, got his entire team declared as fugitives and in the end, Bucky had to be shut down.

Even if he failed to take down the accords, he still didn't sign it, meaning he and his team will be protecting the world without regulations. Also, he did manage to break his teammates out of the prison.
True though, Bucky was shut down, but for reasons unrelated to the Cap vs. Ironman. In a way, he wins, because now he can't be mind controlled.

As for Iron Man's arc reactor, he can easily build another suit. Even in this movie he was using Mark 45 or some other new suit. But Captain America has lost his shield.

What I mean is, they had an epic battle, and Iron man lost that battle. He can make a new suit, but he still lost that fight.

It is true he gave it by choice, but still, he lost his vibranium shield, and vibranium is a rare element. I don't need to add that he is no builder, and that without the shield he has lesser chance of beating Iron Man or other supervillains.

His shield is a part of him, I agree. But his superpowers are in his super strength. He won't have much protection, but he did give it up by choice, out of sympathy for his friend. He won, because he became the better man.

Bucky shut himself down by choice, but then again, Captain America had ran away from the final stand due to Bucky. Although Bucky was saved, Captain America couldn't bring back his childhood friend and had him in stasis.

Their friendship is what I think was saved. At least now, Bucky is safe, away from harm. Which was what Cap wanted in the first place.


Debate Round No. 2
lord_megatron

Con

"Even if he failed to take down the accords, he still didn't sign it, meaning he and his team will be protecting the world without regulations. Also, he did manage to break his teammates out of the prison.
His team would also be fired upon by the policemen and the army they were trying to protect in the first place. His teammates have to live the hard, undercover life and may have to fight Iron Man, Vision and War Machine again unless there is some compromise.
"In a way, he wins, because now he can't be mind controlled."
Bucky still can be mind-controlled. They said they were "working on it" which could take anywhere from a day to a decade. And Bucky has pretty much went into a self-induced coma. Not sure a member of the winning team would do that.
"What I mean is, they had an epic battle, and Iron man lost that battle. He can make a new suit, but he still lost that fight."
The question is which team won civil war. Iron Man may have lost the battle, but he won the war. Plus, Captain America and WInter Soldier both were beating him, which was unfair. And still Iron Man got both of them pretty roughed up. Winter Soldier lost his arm, I don't remember whether Iron Man cut it or was it something else. But Winter Soldier as well as Captain America lost their power.
"He won, because he became the better man."
A better man won't fight 2 to 1 on Iron Man, especially when his cause for revenge was so valid this time. And super strength can only do so much. Iron Man surprisingly forgot to use his wrist missiles/rockets on Captain America, that would have blowed him up bad. Probably out of pity for his former friend. Even if he had used his shield, the knockback would have decapitated him. Iron Man at least didn't let his team down. Captain America ran away for his selfish friendship while his team were in prison, albeit for a short time. Everyone had let Iron Man down, but while everyone saw Captain America stopping the fight, they didn't see that Stark didn't call for reinforcements and let Captain America go away. He certainly didn't attack him in the back, unlike Captain America and Winter Soldier's strategy, where one attacked from front while the other came from the back.
Also if you say that the hydra base fight was won by team cap, then the quinjet helicarrier fight was easily won by team iron man. Majority of Captain America's team were arrested in that epic battle.
"Their friendship is what I think was saved. At least now, Bucky is safe, away from harm. Which was what Cap wanted in the first place. "
In the end, it can be considered he lost Bucky, after all, what is the use of Bucky in a coma?
In conclusion, Team Iron Man won civil war as they acquired Captain America's shield, got his team declared as fugitives, got Bucky shutdown and allowed the Sokovia Accords to be enforced.
Adam_Godzilla

Pro

"Even if he failed to take down the accords, he still didn't sign it, meaning he and his team will be protecting the world without regulations. Also, he did manage to break his teammates out of the prison.
His team would also be fired upon by the policemen and the army they were trying to protect in the first place. His teammates have to live the hard, undercover life and may have to fight Iron Man, Vision and War Machine again unless there is some compromise.

At the end, Cap'n left his number or contact device for Tony to use anytime he needs him. In this way, Cap won the war, and now there's a semi alliance. Yes, Cap would be fired upon by government people, but while he's out there trying to save the world, Ironman will be stuck in his headquarters.

"In a way, he wins, because now he can't be mind controlled."
Bucky still can be mind-controlled. They said they were "working on it" which could take anywhere from a day to a decade. And Bucky has pretty much went into a self-induced coma. Not sure a member of the winning team would do that.

At the same time though, Rhodes is paralyzed down his lower body. That might heal or it might not. I think both sides lost an equal amount.

"What I mean is, they had an epic battle, and Iron man lost that battle. He can make a new suit, but he still lost that fight."
The question is which team won civil war. Iron Man may have lost the battle, but he won the war. Plus, Captain America and WInter Soldier both were beating him, which was unfair. And still Iron Man got both of them pretty roughed up. Winter Soldier lost his arm, I don't remember whether Iron Man cut it or was it something else. But Winter Soldier as well as Captain America lost their power.

Yeah, Winter soldier did get his arm cut, Cap lost his shield. But winter soldier's arm can be repaired. And while Cap might not get the vibranium shield, I think all he needs is a metal shield able to protect from bullets. He should be fine not throwing it around, using punches and kicks. Even if the fight was not fair, Ironman still lost. It was Cap and Bucky who walked away while Ironman laid on the ground.

"He won, because he became the better man."
A better man won't fight 2 to 1 on Iron Man, especially when his cause for revenge was so valid this time. And super strength can only do so much. Iron Man surprisingly forgot to use his wrist missiles/rockets on Captain America, that would have blowed him up bad. Probably out of pity for his former friend. Even if he had used his shield, the knockback would have decapitated him. Iron Man at least didn't let his team down. Captain America ran away for his selfish friendship while his team were in prison, albeit for a short time. Everyone had let Iron Man down, but while everyone saw Captain America stopping the fight, they didn't see that Stark didn't call for reinforcements and let Captain America go away. He certainly didn't attack him in the back, unlike Captain America and Winter Soldier's strategy, where one attacked from front while the other came from the back.

True. That fight, Cap and Bucky played a little dirty. But they had a right to, Tony was definitely aiming to kill Bucky, even though Bucky wasn't in control of his actions when he killed his mom. They needed to stop Ironman out of self defense.

Also if you say that the hydra base fight was won by team cap, then the quinjet helicarrier fight was easily won by team iron man. Majority of Captain America's team were arrested in that epic battle.

I think they were arrested out of guilt more than anything else. If Rhodes hadn't almost died, the Cap team would've just ran away. It was a temporary surrender untill at the end, when they escape the prison.

"Their friendship is what I think was saved. At least now, Bucky is safe, away from harm. Which was what Cap wanted in the first place. "
In the end, it can be considered he lost Bucky, after all, what is the use of Bucky in a coma?

He won't be in a coma forever. They'll figure out a way soon in that Black Panther hideout (shown after the credits) that was in the middle of nowhere. At least Bucky isn't dead, which would've been a true loss.

In conclusion, Team Iron Man won civil war as they acquired Captain America's shield, got his team declared as fugitives, got Bucky shutdown and allowed the Sokovia Accords to be enforced.

Ooh, that's a good summary. Well, I don't think the Sokovia Accords will be enforced since half or so of the Avengers Initiative haven't signed it. Unless, you argue that Cap and his team are no longer Avengers.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Adam_Godzilla 6 months ago
Adam_Godzilla
Yo, mega... so are you down for it?
Posted by Adam_Godzilla 6 months ago
Adam_Godzilla
What do you say megatron?
Posted by Ragnar 6 months ago
Ragnar
Odd request... Is there any chance you guys could redo this for another couple rounds? It was just getting good.
Posted by Adam_Godzilla 7 months ago
Adam_Godzilla
Oh it's the end of the debate. I quite enjoyed that actually.
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