The Instigator
Lookingatissues
Pro (for)
Tied
0 Points
The Contender
Jacobbfoot
Con (against)
Tied
0 Points

Who decides who wins in world

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 0 votes the winner is...
It's a Tie!
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/20/2015 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 579 times Debate No: 70397
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (0)
Votes (0)

 

Lookingatissues

Pro

Has anything changed since the beginning of time as far as to who in the end, makes the decisions for us in our own little private worlds as well as in the world at large. Isn't a power displayed, greater in some form or another, than the rest of those involved have in each situation the ones who makes the final decisions for those who lack that power. Isn't it delusional on our part to think that in the end, when it comes right down to who wins and who loses in any debated issue that just as in " The law of the jungle," the decision about who will dictate how people live is decided by those who hold the most power. All the platitudes and feel-good idealism aside, isn't it raw power and the willingness to use it the ones who determine who wins in reality. The talk of American disarmentment and doing away with Nuclear weapons by Obama and the liberals in this country is an example of purposefully ignoring and not facing the realities of the real world as it has always existed.
Even Jimmy Carter's Secretary of Defense, "Harld Brown," revealed a truth about Americans being delusional about Russia's reasons for maintaining military Power over others regardless of what other countries did.. In a Book titled,"USEFUL IDIOTS,"there was this quote of Carter's Secertary of Defense," We have found that when we build weapons, they build,..."more weapons...."When we stop, they never the less, continue to build." Just recently Russia flew fighter planes close enough to Britain's borders that they sent their fighter planes up to investigate what the Russians were doing flying their fighter planes so close to their shores. It was Russia's way of displaying their powers to another country. There is a quote that is quite fitting in explaining why power is dominate in any debate.
" Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." (Power to contest the issue)
Quote of Thomas Jefferson
Jacobbfoot

Con

I would first like to establish who, exactly, my opponent means has always ruled the world. Until further notice, I shall assume he simply means that some people, a general upper class in society, has always held power. To that, I would say that of course it is so. However, your argument that nothing has changed about this group, I must disagree with. Firstly, I think it's vital to observe the amorphous nature of this upper class of people. It is far from a solid group, those who held the positions of power 100 years ago are far removed from those who hold these positions today. As an example of such positions, I show the Bolsheviks in Russia. The success of their October revolution shows us, undeniably, that the places of power in the world can easily change hands. In conclusion, I would argue that, while the world has always been ruled by those with power over others, however, who exactly these people are has varied greatly over time, and will continue to do so unendingly.
Debate Round No. 1
Lookingatissues

Pro

Jacobbfoot reply to Lookingattheissues...2-20-2015 About Power
Jacobbfoot reply .....I would first like to establish who, exactly, my opponent means has always ruled the world
John Adams said this about who it has always been who weild power over their fellow men in a society,
" Aristocracy is not simply a creation of society; it is in part natural, and in part artificial; but in no state can it be eradicated. its existence may be denied by hypocrites, but it will survive, all the same, for in any society imaginable, some men will exercise political influence over their fellows- some will be followers, others leaders, and the leaders of political society are aristocrats, call them what we will."Who are the Aristocracy of America, Examples, The Rockefeller family "is an American industrial, political, and banking family that made one of the world's largest fortunes..."
The Kennedy family,The wealth and glamor of the family members, as well as their extensive and continuing involvement in public service, has elevated them to iconic status over the past half-century,.... the Kennedys sometimes referred to themselves as "America's Royal Family,. the Clintons.
These families wealth and position of power and influence, the " Aristocracy "such as those listed above, hold power over their fellow man,these types of men have always ruled/ exerted their influence, their powers, over their fellow men, and over world events.
Power to rule over others can be Military superiority or even physical strength,or intellectual superiority or the ability perhaps to convince others to follow them.
you replied,"....your argument that nothing has changed about this group, I must disagree with....
response: While methods have changed in how power held by Aristocracy is exerted now is often more subtle, Power used is no longer always displayed on the field of battle but the power exerted is still used to accomplish the same objectives, to hold their dominance over others in some manner.
You argued,".....this upper class of people. It is far from a solid group, those who held the positions of power 100 years ago are far removed from those who hold these positions today. Those who hold power over their fellow man in foreign countries may not have family lineage as the rulers of old often did but those in power in foreign countries many times are in positions of power because of their ideological identity and party affiliations with the communist party.
You posted, "I would argue that, while the world has always been ruled by those with power over others, however, who exactly these people are has varied greatly over time, and will continue to do so unendingly. The names and persons have changed over time but the human situation of holding power over others today remains the same, Power is wielded and held by the "Aristocracy."
Quote by John Adams taken from the book Titled "The Conservative Mind," by Russell Kirk
Jacobbfoot

Con

Jacobbfoot forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Lookingatissues

Pro

Lookingatissues forfeited this round.
Jacobbfoot

Con

Jacobbfoot forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
No comments have been posted on this debate.
No votes have been placed for this debate.