Who is better, LeBron or Jordan? (Pro=LBJ) (Con=Jordan)
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P.S. I`m not including the years 1994-1995 because Jordan didn`t play basket-ball in those years, so I`m saying from 1984-1993 and 1996
NBA Championships :
Lebron 2x (2012-2013)
MJ 4x (1991-1992-1993-1996)
MVP Finals :
Lebron 2x (2012-2013)
MJ 4x (!991-!992-1993-1996)
Regular season`s MVP :
Lebron 4x (2009-2010-2012-1013)
MJ 4x (1988-1991-1992-1996)
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6 Championships in 6 Finals
First off, I would like to void the famous "6 championships in 6 out of 6 Finals" argument. In this argument, critics of LeBron James state that Michael Jordan reached the NBA Finals 6 times, out of which he won all 6. James, on the contrary, has made it to the NBA Finals 4 times, but has only won twice. This is all well and true, but what detractors fail to mention is that James reached the Finals earlier in his career than Jordan was able to. Jordan was born on February 17, 1963, and he made his first NBA Finals appearance in 1991. Thus, he was 28 when he won his first championship. James won his first championship at the age of 27, and his second at the age of 28. He reached the Finals in 2007 and 2011, at the age of 22 and 26 respectively. When Jordan was 22 (1985), he was swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round. When Jordan was 27 (1990), he lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Philadelphia 76ers. Thus, by this argument critics are proposing that it would have been better for James to have lost in the 1st round and Eastern Conference Finals in 2007 and 2011 than to have lost in the Finals. This is obviously a preposterous statement to anyone who looks at these facts. Therefore, the "6 championships in 6 Finals" argument is entirely invalid.
Relative Years in the NBA
Next, I will expose lack of a logical basis for one of the most commonly used arguments to counter my assertion above. Critics state that Jordan won a championship earlier in his career in terms of years in the NBA than LeBron. This is only true due to the fact that Jordan spent three years at North Carolina prior to going pro. He did not possess the talent to go pro directly out of high school like LeBron. In fact, some have even stated he was cut from his high school basketball team, although that is controversial. Thus, Jordan was much more polished coming into the NBA and was drafted to a much better team (I will illustrate this point in the following section). James, on the other hand, came into the league directly out of high school, less polished, and to a worse team. However, he still managed to beat Jordan statistically in their respective first years in the NBA. If one compares Jordan's three years in college and professional career to that of James, James actually wins his first championship earlier than Jordan in terms of years. James won his first championship in his 9th year after high school, while Jordan won his first championship in his 10th year after high school. With these noticeable differences in their respective routes to their first championships, it is illogical to make any large comparisons if any at all.
Strength of Respective Teams
The year before Jordan was drafted the Bulls had 27 wins, whereas the year prior to James being drafted the Cavaliers only had 17 wins. Jordan retired after winning a championship 1993 (against the Phoenix Suns), the year in which the Bulls had a win total of 57; the very following year the Bulls dropped to a win total of 55 and lost in the Conference Semifinals. The Bulls lost 3.5% more games without Jordan. Thus, the Bulls were relatively strong even without Jordan. In James's final year with the Cavaliers, their win total was 61. The very next year, the Cavaliers' s win total dropped to a measly 16 wins. The Cavaliers lost 73.8% more games without James. Thus, it is quite obvious that Jordan's Bulls were significantly better than James's Cavaliers. If you took Jordan off his Bulls and James off his Cavaliers, the Bulls would undoubtedly beat the Cavaliers one hundred times out of one hundred games. I personally do not believe that even Jordan could have brought James's Cavaliers a championship.
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