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Who is better, LeBron or Jordan? (Pro=LBJ) (Con=Jordan)

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Started: 9/22/2013 Category: Sports
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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At this point, Jordan's career is more storied than that of James; however, Jordan had won 2 MVPs, 1 championship, and 1 Finals MVP by the age of 28, while James has acquired 4 MVPs, 2 championships, and 2 Finals MVPs in that same time frame. James is statistically on track to dethrone "His Airness," as well as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (For Most Points in a Career). Thus, LeBron is certainly a better basketball player than Jordan was.


I accept. Let`s talk about championships. Explain me how do you expect a team to not win a championship, when they have so many all star players on there team. Lebron,D-Wade,Bosh and Ray Allen. Jordan only had him and Pippen, and they did good in the 1991 NBA Finals, where they won the series against the Lakers 4-1. Be honest, without Wade, Allen and Bosh , Lebron would have still had 0 championships. It`s also kind of unfair that we are comparing Lebron at 28 and Jordan at 28 because Lebron was in the NBA at age 18 and Jordan at age 21, were Lebron was there for 10 years and Jordan 7 years.Let`s compare them at there 10th season.

P.S. I`m not including the years 1994-1995 because Jordan didn`t play basket-ball in those years, so I`m saying from 1984-1993 and 1996

NBA Championships :
Lebron 2x (2012-2013)
MJ 4x (1991-1992-1993-1996)

MVP Finals :
Lebron 2x (2012-2013)
MJ 4x (!991-!992-1993-1996)

Regular season`s MVP :
Lebron 4x (2009-2010-2012-1013)
MJ 4x (1988-1991-1992-1996)

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Debate Round No. 1


(Thank you for accepting this debate. I will now attempt to debunk your arguement.)

6 Championships in 6 Finals

First off, I would like to void the famous "6 championships in 6 out of 6 Finals" argument. In this argument, critics of LeBron James state that Michael Jordan reached the NBA Finals 6 times, out of which he won all 6. James, on the contrary, has made it to the NBA Finals 4 times, but has only won twice. This is all well and true, but what detractors fail to mention is that James reached the Finals earlier in his career than Jordan was able to. Jordan was born on February 17, 1963, and he made his first NBA Finals appearance in 1991. Thus, he was 28 when he won his first championship. James won his first championship at the age of 27, and his second at the age of 28. He reached the Finals in 2007 and 2011, at the age of 22 and 26 respectively. When Jordan was 22 (1985), he was swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round. When Jordan was 27 (1990), he lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Philadelphia 76ers. Thus, by this argument critics are proposing that it would have been better for James to have lost in the 1st round and Eastern Conference Finals in 2007 and 2011 than to have lost in the Finals. This is obviously a preposterous statement to anyone who looks at these facts. Therefore, the "6 championships in 6 Finals" argument is entirely invalid.

Relative Years in the NBA

Next, I will expose lack of a logical basis for one of the most commonly used arguments to counter my assertion above. Critics state that Jordan won a championship earlier in his career in terms of years in the NBA than LeBron. This is only true due to the fact that Jordan spent three years at North Carolina prior to going pro. He did not possess the talent to go pro directly out of high school like LeBron. In fact, some have even stated he was cut from his high school basketball team, although that is controversial. Thus, Jordan was much more polished coming into the NBA and was drafted to a much better team (I will illustrate this point in the following section). James, on the other hand, came into the league directly out of high school, less polished, and to a worse team. However, he still managed to beat Jordan statistically in their respective first years in the NBA. If one compares Jordan's three years in college and professional career to that of James, James actually wins his first championship earlier than Jordan in terms of years. James won his first championship in his 9th year after high school, while Jordan won his first championship in his 10th year after high school. With these noticeable differences in their respective routes to their first championships, it is illogical to make any large comparisons if any at all.

Strength of Respective Teams

The year before Jordan was drafted the Bulls had 27 wins, whereas the year prior to James being drafted the Cavaliers only had 17 wins. Jordan retired after winning a championship 1993 (against the Phoenix Suns), the year in which the Bulls had a win total of 57; the very following year the Bulls dropped to a win total of 55 and lost in the Conference Semifinals. The Bulls lost 3.5% more games without Jordan. Thus, the Bulls were relatively strong even without Jordan. In James's final year with the Cavaliers, their win total was 61. The very next year, the Cavaliers' s win total dropped to a measly 16 wins. The Cavaliers lost 73.8% more games without James. Thus, it is quite obvious that Jordan's Bulls were significantly better than James's Cavaliers. If you took Jordan off his Bulls and James off his Cavaliers, the Bulls would undoubtedly beat the Cavaliers one hundred times out of one hundred games. I personally do not believe that even Jordan could have brought James's Cavaliers a championship.


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Debate Round No. 3
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to pro due to the forfeit. Spelling and grammar also to pro because con made several punctuation errors with commas. Arguments were even and neither side used sources.