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Mikal
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Who is the best ADC in league of legends?

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Started: 9/3/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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justake8

Pro

League of legends is a game of strategies and mechanics of the player you are playing. Some champions have long range and some are short range but deadly. ADC known as Attack Damage Carries are champions who play bot lane with supports. In my opinion ADC's are one of the most valuable champions in the game. Vayne is what I main and Vayne is a hyper carry. Once you get Blade of the Ruined King you are unstoppable unless you get Blade at 20 minutes into the game. Just by getting 2 kills early game will make you a killing machine. Not only does he own late game he can 1v2 a support and add easily. While using her ult you go invisible so the enemies cant see you while you sneak up behind them and keep attacking. Vayne is just unstoppable but in team fights can be shut down early in fight. A good Vayne can kite back the opponent and make sure that she is safe and can regroup with the team. This is one of the most important areas of playing Vayne. So therefore Vayne is the strongest late and early game champ if built right and played right can be unstoppable.
For an example or mechanics and how to late game Vayne.
Mikal

Con

I accept and look forward to this

My adversary claims that Vayne is the best adc, I will offer contentions to prove him wrong.


Contention 1

There is no best ADC, which is why an ADC can be countered


Any adc can be the best in the right team comp. Which is why there are counters for adcs when you lane against them. Some champions are inclined to do better than others, because of advantages they have over them. Example against my adversaries claim about vayne, Caitlin would dominate a Vayne early as well as Ashe.

Why is this?

Caitlin and ashe both have a high base range of attack, meaning they can attack from a farther distance and harass Vayne out of cs. Her rolls and her key move which is defile is useless because she will be poked out of the lane before she can get close. Vayne is entirely dependent on ganks and a good support in the early game.

He says this

". So therefore Vayne is the strongest late and early game champ if built right and played right can be unstoppable."


She is a very strong late game champ, but that is 100 percent not the case with early game in the lane phase. She is often picked on and will even use lane swaps, to get her cs up because of her inability to complete at early levels.

He is using his experience with Vayne and claiming this to be objective


If you take a good player and put them against a bad player, counters will not matter as much and you can still do well. This is often the case in bronze.

Once you reach plat or higher, If you take a good player vs a good player, all the small factors come into play.

Meaning Vayne is definitely not the best in early game as he stated in his resolution. She is an amazing hyper carry if she gets fed, but that is even contested by Tristana and kog maw.

http://www.champion...select.net/champ/Vayne



Contention 2

Team Comp

Vayne just does not work well with some teams. She is very mobile and likes to move around. If you have a CC type of team Varus, Twitch, Ashe, and Miss Fortune are often chosen because of the utility and CC they bring. They can lock down enemies early in lane phase, and even in to the late game. While they may not be as strong late game, they have the potential to be as strong because the can snowball during the laning phase.

Any ADC can be the best if you put the right team around them.

Example : J4 ults and uses cataclysm and traps the team inside, Miss Fortune can almost instantly follow with her ult and spray the entire team down without them moving. Same with Twitch and his ult.





Rebuttal 1

"Once you get Blade of the Ruined King you are unstoppable unless you get Blade at 20 minutes into the game"

This is not the case. It makes you a better duelist and gives you 1v1 potential. You can split push with this but, it does not make you unstoppable. If you are caught with a Varus ult and you are not fed, you will drop dead. You have the potential to dodge the ults, but having BOTRK does not make you unkillable, it just gives you a better chance of not dying.




Rebuttal 2

"Vayne is just unstoppable but in team fights can be shut down early in fight. A good Vayne can kite back the opponent and make sure that she is safe and can regroup with the team. This is one of the most important areas of playing Vayne. "

She is by far not the best at kiting either. A blue build Ezreal owns her in this area. He has frozen gauntlet to slow which stacks with his q. He can slow you shift back auto attack slow and repeat. He is the master of positioning himself in team fights. Add the murama upradge you get from the manamune, he hits for nasty damage too. Add last whisper and you are dealing pretty close to true damage.





In Closing

My adversary can not meet his resolution, because he is not consdering team comps and other factors that play into how good a champion can be.
Debate Round No. 1
justake8

Pro

justake8 forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

extend all arguments
Debate Round No. 2
justake8

Pro

justake8 forfeited this round.
Mikal

Con

extend all arguments due to ffs
Debate Round No. 3
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Reasons for voting decision: I have never played LoL so my opinion is rather bland on it. However, on the other voting points: Conduct goes to Con due to forfeit. Spelling and grammar were fine. Con provided better arguments, refuted Pros, and negated the resolution; arguments to Con. Source also go to Con, because he used more and they were all reliable. Good debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for forfeit and sources since con used some. Pro only posted a short clip of a play session. Arguments: I've never played the Moba but Pro conceded that Vayne is only best late game and only if certain conditions are met. Con exploited these points and Pro did not respond.