Who should be next POTUS? Trump (Pro).....Clinton(Con)
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The format of this debate is as follows:
Round 1: Acceptance Only
Round 2: Arguments....NO REBUTTALS
Round 3: Rebuttals
Round 4: Conclusion
Good Luck to my opponent and I hope I can convince you as to why Hillary Clinton is bad and Mr. Trump is good..
Donald Trump, would make a disaster of a president due to his lack of politically correctness. His lack of foreign nations would make him a terrible figurehead for the state for he lacks political knowledge altogether. His conservative view may put the United States in a terrible position In foreign eyes;
One of the main reasons people believe Trump may be a great person to run the U.S is his billionaire business. Well, firstly most of his wealth came from his father who made a name from himself. Most of his money, comes from him being a celebrity over a businessmen, and lastly; He has filed bankruptcy numerous times; that means he has made terrible decisions and has gone broke leaving the question; If Trump gets elected, can America handle being broke again?
Trump is racist! Before he ran for president he made statements about Black and Latino people committing the most crimes and being the "Crime makers"! I find this un-acceptable in the highest! In a day of racial harmony we still have people like him? As he ran for president he reinforced the fact that he would build a wall around Mexico, because "Mexico are sending drug dealers" and make Mexico pay for it. But the contradicts himself numerous times about him "Adoring" Mexicans. Which makes his views un-clear for the people which leads to my next argument.
Trump is an untrustworthy character; He contradicts himself numerous times, and especially on his election plans to make Mexico pay the wall, and his stance of races.He also does not have a high moral, he left some Scottish citizens homeless in order to build a golf course! Bulldozing there land for entertaiment! Minor communites have been destroyed in order to build Hotels and cassinos. He has also spoken out being against affordable health care for American Citizens.
Hillary on the other hand, is qualified. She has worked in politics and Law before and was a former senator and the former secretary of state would run the Nation very-smoothly in-comparison Trump, holds an economics degree which does not provide any assistance in running a nation.
Her liberal ideas means she hold ideologies such as
Pro-Gun control, Pro-LGBT, Pro-Religous freedom.
Her ideologys would support her for a better and brighter future in America.
"Hillary"s New College Compact would mean students would never have to borrow to pay for tuition to attend a four-year public college in their state"and the millions of Americans who have student debt can refinance."- HillaryClinton.com
All above says it; College fees are a pain in the butt to pay. And Hillary would make sure, that we would never need to pay for a four-year public college (In our state!).
I now conclude and await my opponents reply
Thank You Con for accepting and good luck! My first 2 contentions are Pro Trump, and the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th contentions are Anti-Clinton.
Trump has called for a wall to be built to keep illegal immigrants out. Trump proposes to make Mexico pay for the wall because they export their crime and poverty to the United States via illegal immigration. Many Americans have been killed by these illegal aliens and the lives of their families have been destroyed. Mexico also publishes pamphlets of how to illegaly immigrate to the United States, and this is the reason why they must pay for the wall. The wall is estimated to cost about 17 billion dollars. I am sure that Con is going to argue how Trump is going to make Mexico pay, and my answer comes directly from Trump's website- "Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards " of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore."Along with the proposal of the wall Trump has proposed to deport the illegal immigrants. Coming to the U.S. Illegally is in violation of the law, and the law cannot be bended for anyone. I simple way to make the illegals leave to to triple the number Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. Currently we only have about 5000 ICE officers that do the lion's share of the work compared to the Los Angeles Police Department which consists of 10,000 officers. Also ICE officers should accompany local gang task forces to apprehend and deport illegals participating in street gangs.This not only reduces the number of crime but also gets rid of the illegals. Another way to get rid of illegals is to defund federal grants from sanctuary cities which number 300 over the entire nation.These cities harbor illegal immigrants, meaning they have laws enforced where the ICE cannot arrest illegals even if there is evidence. These are only some of the ways listed on Trump's website.
Pro-Trump-Contention 2:(Veterans Administration Reform)
Mr. Trump is completely pro-veteran. He wants to fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives that let 300,000 veterans die waiting for care.The Trump Plan Will:
"Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans" invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today"s veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don"t permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women"s health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran"s ID card."
Hillary Clinton lied to Americans about her email server and put America in danger. According to FBI Director James Comey, Hillary's email server contained 110 emails in 52 chains which contained classified information at the time they were being sent.There were also people without the necessary security clearance that had access to Clinton's email server which contained classified information. In an essence she cannot be trusted in handling top secret information or with the protection of the nation because she lied. Most Americans agree that Hillary Clinton should have been charged Hillary has called for a 550% increase in Syrian Refugees even though ISIS has said they are going to send operatives disguised as Syrian Refugees. So Hillary believes that the lives of Syrians are greater than the lives of Americans? This shows that she has poor judgement.
Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite on the positions of LGBT and Women's Rights. Hillary Clinton accepted donations of millions of dollars from anti-LGBT countries.
This table shows exactly how much she has received and the punishments for homosexuality.
She has also received money from countries that do not respect Women's Rights.
Anti-Clinton Contention 5:
Hillary has called millions of hard-working Americans that support Trump "deplorable" and "irredeemable." She has insulted millions of Americans by calling them "racist, sexist, xenophobic, and Islamophobic." If a President despises close to a quarter of the population, how is she going to run this country?
 http://www.breitbart.com.... (Watch Video Only)
Looking forward to your rebuttals...
Also, my opponents argument is a copy and paste of his formor one listed here:http://www.debate.org...
And he is copy and pasting old arguments, which may be spam under the debate.org forums.
Pro-Trump-Contention 1:(Immigration) Rebuttal
Firstly my opponent has made a major flaw in this argument by "labeling" the entirety of the Hispanic and Latino American Community as "aliens" that "destroy the lives of families". I feel that is an extremely racist and xenophobic, for it is labeling and entire race as felons. My opponent states that they will make Mexico pay via impounding illegal wages, increasing fees on temporary visa for "Mexican CEOs and diplomats" and if nessicary cancel them. Making this kinds of racist policies would see a racial segregation act, in the future be established. Stereotyping and entire group, for something that only %1 of them do is unacceptable.
Pro-Trump-Contention 2 Rebuttal
I do agree that veterans should be looked after-for, but how is Trump going to pay for the plans?It would put a massive strain on the current budget.
Anti-Clinton-Contention 3 Rebuttal
Firstly, I belive that the U.S should be taking in MOST of the Syrian refugees because they started this war. The U.S decided to go and topple Iraq for Oil-money, and curreny-stability, that let ISIS trickle in and make people homeless. The U.S created this mess and is running away from it. They need to save the people that they have hurt. We as a society should understand our wrongs and fix them.
Anti-Clinton-Contention 4: Rebuttal
I do not see anything wrong with accepting donations from nations that don't share the same view as you. Trump is reciving monye from Russia and Saudi Arabia, it does not share the same views as Trump does.
Anti-Clinton Contention 5:
Trump has angered %17.6 of the population, which are hispanic. And a further %36 who disagree with his views nationaly. From viewing your points of Trump, I would deem him to be a "racist, sexist , xenophobic and Islamaphobic."
Anti-Trump Argument one:
Trump is not educated to run the nation, when it comes outside of buissness. He will lack all knowlage on anything. Most of the policies that he supports are gennerally written by someone else. How is a nation ment to run with a President that does not know anything about politics?
Anti-Trump Argument two:
He mocked a disabled man due to his disability, In my opinion a Leader can never have that trait.
"Last November, Trump mocked New York Times reporter Serge Kovaleski"s physical appearance at a rally in South Carolina last November. Kovaleski has a congenital condition known as arthrogryposis which causes curving of the joints in the hands and feet."-AARON GOLDSTEIN
This is unaceptable unversially.
Anti-trump Argument three:
He has a mass admaration for dicatiors, his views on totalitarianism for America could be detremental. In a interview
He has great liking to views that have been opposed by the U.S since the cold war. His views on Communism somthing that is up for debate. But he is rather conviluted on views.
Hillarys views are immensly clear, unlike Trump she makes it clear that she is a Liberal person and keeps that very firm. Trump controdicts himself so many times that his political ideologys controdict one-antoher themselves!
I now conclude and await my opponents arguments:
My opponent fails to prove how not being politically correct is a bad thing. Mr. Trump has worked with many people from foreign nations as a businessman. What is Hillary Clinton's record in foreign policy?
1.) Sen. Clinton voted for the War in Iraq which destabilized Iraq and caused the growth of extremism in the form of ISIS
2.) Sec. Clinton supported American air power to overthrow Gaddafi which has led to an anarchy and a base for ISIS and other terrorist organization.
3.) Sec. Clinton supported arming Syrian moderates, in which some were affiliated with Jihadi Extremism. Many of the American arms are now in the hands of ISIS as a result.
4.) Four Americans were killed under the watch of the State Department which was headed by Sec. Clinton.
On top of that, Hillary Clinton lied to the parents of those victims blaming the attack on a YouTube video. Not only that, when the parents found out the truth, Hillary Clinton called them liars.
5.)Sec. Clinton helped bring Iran to the negotiating table which resulted in the Iran deal which is a disaster for the following reasons: Iran gets 150 billion USD to support extremist organizations, improves their technology, and puts Israel, our key ally in the region at risk.
Conservatism is better than Liberalism as it benefits America. NAFTA, which was imposed by President Clinton, has cost America millions of jobs and the manufacturing industry has gone from 20% to 9% and these are just some of the effects of a free trade deal.  The debate of Conservatism vs Liberalism is a completely different debate and I urge this argument to not be carried on further.
Mr. Trump inherited somewhere between 100-300 million dollars from his father. His current net worth is 4.5 billion dollars, which says a lot. He increased his money by more than 10 times. Mr. Trump has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcies meaning he personally has never gone bankrupt. Only 6 of his businesses have and he made the the law advantageous for him and settled the debt. Out of about 515 companies, only 6 have been filed for Chapter 11. Even Bill Gates's companies have filed bankruptcies. Risks are a part of business.
Mr. Trump is not racist. I would love to see a video or some type of evidence about Mr. Trump calling Blacks and Hispanics
"Crime-Makers." And what about Hillary Clinton calling the African American youth super-predators? Trump won't build a wall "around Mexico," as Con claims, but on the border between the U.S. and Mexico. Mexico is selling pamphlets on how to go to the U.S illegaly as mentioned in Round 1. 90% of the cocaine in the U.S. is smuggled via the southern border. Not o mention the fact that cartels in Mexico have members in prominent American cities. The wall is to prevent drugs and illegal immigrants from coming. Adoring Mexicans has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants broke the law, they should face consequences, just like you and I do. It's a matter of safety for our youth and our communities.
Untrustworthy? That sounds a lot like Hillary Clinton. Who lied about her emails? Who lied to the parents of Benghazi victims? Who lied to the American people? Mr. Trump has never backed away from his stance of Mexico paying for the wall. It has been on his website for as long as I can remember. If you read the article Con, the land belonged to Trump. He could do anything he wants with the land. And no where in the article does it say that the people were left homeless. The Affordable Care Act, also know as Obamacare is a disaster. The AFC has higher health costs and forces people to buy health care, and if they don't, they have to pay a tax.I'm currently living in Texas. Currently it's cheaper for me to pay the tax than to get insurance. Why should I have to pay a tax to the government for not wanting health insurance? It's my personal decision, not some bureaucrat sitting in D.C. At the same time, illegal immigrants are receiving FREE health care. They don't pay taxes like you and I do and are still receiving health benefits.
Hillary Clinton has been a disaster for America as I have argued above. During her term as Senator, she promised 200,000 jobs for New York citizens, but what happened? Upstate New York lost jobs, and the manufacturing industry dropped by 25 percent.She also voted for the War in Iraq and later withdrew the troops causing ISIS to be formed. As Secretary of State, 4 Americans died under her watch in Benghazi. She was the person involved in the Pay to Play during here term as SoS. I completely forgot to mention that she is practically owned by her lobbyists and special interests that put themselves over America. With the way the country is right now-20 trillion in debt- politicians are the ones to blame. Trump is not a politician.
Her Pro-Gun control law puts a siege in the 2nd Amendment. There is a reason why our Founding Fathers put that in the Bill of Rights. It stops the government from becoming to tyrannical. This issue is a completely different topic. Trump is was against same-sex marriage, but the issue is now settled by law. Mr. Trump is for religious freedom. What's your point?
The only thing I have to say is where is all this money going to come from. Nothing is free. It's just going to increase our taxes by a lot. And she has taken money from Universities as well, so I highly doubt this is going to be implemented anyways.
I await my opponents rebuttals and am looking forward to defending my arguments in the next round
First things first, I have not labeled the Hispanic and Latino American society as "aliens." The illegal ones are illegal aliens, and that's who I am referring to. It is not racist or xenophobic to refer to undocumented immigrants as illegal, because they are illegal. If Mexico is going to pay for the wall like Trump proposes, he's not going to make some CEO from Russia pay for it. My Mexican, I mean the people. It's not racist as we're getting ripped off right now as jobs are moving to Mexicoand we have a 58 billion dollar trade deficit with them.  Lets make one thing clear: Illegal Immigrants are completely separate from legal immigrants and citizens. I never said that Mexicans and Latinos were criminals. I said some of them are criminals. How many deaths has that 1% caused? All of those people that were here, would still be alive if our immigration policies were enforced, but we have a President who advocated sanctuary cities and Hillary Clinton with the same thing! Its a matter of keeping Americans safe. Keep calling us racist and xenophobic, aren't Trump supporters Deplorables and Irreedemable?
The VA is corrupt and takes the money for themselves. The amount of money has nothing to do with this. Get rid of the corruption, and help the Vets. Simple.
Finally, we get to Iraq. Hillary Clinton voted for the War in Iraq, not Trump Again, another failure of your candidate-Hillary. Who left Iraq and caused ISIS to become what it is today? Hillary. ISIS enlarged after Obama and Hillary removed the troops from Iraq. The government fell into chaos and ISIS arose. Let's get to the point. The question I ask, do American lives matter more or refugee lives? There's evidence that ISIS is going to infiltrate the refugee population which puts Americans as at a risk. Mr. Trump proposes building safe zones in the Middle East for these refugees. It's a win win for everyone. We don't have to bring them here. Remember the number 1 job of the government is to protect its people.
My view is that the LGBTQ community shouldn't be punished, which Trump supports. It seems that my opponent has misread my argument. Give me evidence that Trump gets money from Russia and Saudi Arabia. I gave you evidence that Hillary does, and that questions her true motives. Money or LGBTQ? It can't be both.
The populations are angry because the Mainstream Media is spreading lies about him. I urge you to get on a source that isn't biased. CNN and NBC and many other news stations are Pro-Hillary. My opponent cannot prove that Trump is racist, sexist, xenophobic, or homophobic, but I can prove that he listens to the MSM just based on those words.
Trump does know. His advisers guide him just like a cabinet does to its President. Mr. Trump works with his advisors to create his policies in the first place. Business requires good negotiating which our leaders clearly do not have as they emposed NAFTA and TPP, and we have huge trade deficits with many countries. Our politicians are helping America as a vast majority are owned by special interests and lobbyists just like Hillary. Trump is the only person who is funding his own campaign with his own money and small donations. He knows about politics, that's why he has policies that benefit America.
I knew this argument would come around. Mr. Trump was imitating a groveling reporter. He personally didn't know Mr. Kovaleski, and even if he did it was 30 years ago. Not to mention the fact that Mr. Trump is 70 years old. He could've simply forgotten. I'm pretty sure Trump wasn't mocking Mr. Kovaleski, who he hasn't seen for 30 years. Not to mention the fact that he has met with hundreds of reporters throughout his career. Another MSM lie.
Hillary Clinton has been in politics for close to 30 years. Why hasn't she done anything? It's the same old lie that Democrats put up. Remember Obamacare and how we get to keep our Doctor, where has that led to? Obamacare itself is a disaster(evidence in previous round). Hillary has flip-flopped on so many issues, and what issues has Trump? Again, no evidence.
Points to be noted:
-Opponent concedes arguments about ICE and sanctuary cities
-Con concedes the email scandal argument about Hillary putting national security at risk
-Opponent concedes that Hillary is a hypocrite on LGBT rights
-He concedes that Hillary is a hypocrite on women's rights
-Opponent concedes that Hillary calling a quarter of the country is bad
-My opponent concedes that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population harming Americans
-Opponent concedes that Hillary believes American lives matter less than refugee lives
-My opponent rarely uses evidence citing key arguments about Trump.
-My opponent fails to prove how being a liberal is better than being a conservative
More to come, has opponent hasn't given rebuttals to my arguments. Will post more in comments after debate
In conclusion, my opponent has conceded many of my key arguments, but many of them I cannot post as Con has waived the previous round, which could've brought more arguemenrs that were conceded. Hillary Clinton not only has put national security at risk but is owned by the special interests that give her money. They have complete control over what she does if she becomes President, and they're gonna say, make a deal that benefits me and not the general public. Donald J. Trump on the other hand has called for protecting the nation by having a secure border and not accepting refugees instead giving them safe zones. He is not owned, nor bought off. The MSM continues to lie about his success and fails to find faults in Hillary Clinton. I have proved how Trump is better than Clinton and therefore should be the next POTUS.
For all of these reasons I strongly urge a PRO ballot for this review.
Thanks to Voters and Con!
VOTE TRUMP-MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!
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