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pro-kush420
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joshuaXlawyer
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Why Marijuana should be legalized

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/29/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Voting Period
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pro-kush420

Pro

I completely disagree with the laws that hold marijuana, in society, to be illegal. To claim that a plant without a portion of the consequences that alcohol or tobacco brings is to be deemed illegal is utterly foolish. With that, Marijuana should be legalized
joshuaXlawyer

Con

"I completely disagree with the laws that hold marijuana, in society, to be illegal. To claim that a plant without a portion of the consequences that alcohol or tobacco brings is to be deemed illegal is utterly foolish. With that, Marijuana should be legalized"

I completely disagree with what my opponent is saying, and marijuana has effects like alcohal, driving under the infulence isn't just alcohal. Pot as it is refered to is harmful to human beings as these effects :

Brain effects
The active ingredient in marijuana, delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, acts on cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors, but other areas of the brain have few or none at all. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.
When high doses of marijuana are used, usually when eaten in food rather than smoked, users can experience the following symptoms: Hallucinations,Delusions,Impaired memory and Disorientation.

Effects on the Heart
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.

Effects on the Lungs
Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:

Daily cough and phlegm production
More frequent acute chest illnesses
Increased risk of lung infections
Obstructed airways
Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.

What About Cancer?
Although one study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers, that study could not be confirmed by further analysis.
Because marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk.

Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.

Other Health Effects
Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.

Effects of Exposure During Pregnancy
Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

Even if drinking and smoking is almost as bad doesn't make it right to do, in my strong opinion smoking should be illegal and drinking more regulated than it already is.
Debate Round No. 1
pro-kush420

Pro

I completely disagree with the laws that hold marijuana, in society, to be illegal. To claim that a plant without a portion of the consequences that alcohol or tobacco brings is to be deemed illegal is utterly foolish. With that, Marijuana should be legalized

Your Argument towards the side effects on Cannabis are completely true and cannot be argued. But when it is compared to tobacco or prescribed drugs, the main focus is on THC. Compared to tobaccos 4000 chemicals, 559 ingredients, and 43 carcinogens, THC in cannabis is more or less just a moral standing on the using of marijuana. With drugs and alcohol there are always inevitable problems with every substance. What should be, and is, a main focus on the legalization of Cannabis is, do the benefits outweigh the effects? A study at a University in California suggests that there is a definite slowing in the progression of people affected with Alzheimer's. Another study in Saskatchewan shows that Cannabis when consumed helps with the treatment of nausea when undergoing chemotherapy, helps with the prevention and treatment of glaucoma, a pain reliever, and helps with muscle relaxation with multiple sclerosis. In 2008 a survey was taken on prescribed pain relievers, and there was an estimated 15 million Americans age 15 to 28 that abused pain relievers. The two most common forms of pain relievers are Oxycontin and Vicodin for mild and moderate pain. These two narcotics are prescribed and accepted in society but have numerous serious side effects such as heart failure, hemorrhages, hypo-tension, Anorexia, diarrhea, hyperglycemia, iron deficiency anemia, laryngitis, lung disorder, are just a few examples.
joshuaXlawyer

Con

1."I completely disagree with the laws that hold marijuana, in society, to be illegal. To claim that a plant without a portion of the consequences that alcohol or tobacco brings is to be deemed illegal is utterly foolish. With that, Marijuana should be legalized"

"Your Argument towards the side effects on Cannabis are completely true and cannot be argued. But when it is compared to tobacco or prescribed drugs, the main focus is on THC. Compared to tobaccos 4000 chemicals, 559 ingredients, and 43 carcinogens, THC in cannabis is more or less just a moral standing on the using of marijuana. With drugs and alcohol there are always inevitable problems with every substance. What should be, and is, a main focus on the legalization of Cannabis is, do the benefits outweigh the effects? A study at a University in California suggests that there is a definite slowing in the progression of people affected with Alzheimer's. Another study in Saskatchewan shows that Cannabis when consumed helps with the treatment of nausea when undergoing chemotherapy, helps with the prevention and treatment of glaucoma, a pain reliever, and helps with muscle relaxation with multiple sclerosis. In 2008 a survey was taken on prescribed pain relievers, and there was an estimated 15 million Americans age 15 to 28 that abused pain relievers. The two most common forms of pain relievers are Oxycontin and Vicodin for mild and moderate pain. These two narcotics are prescribed and accepted in society but have numerous serious side effects such as heart failure, hemorrhages, hypo-tension, Anorexia, diarrhea, hyperglycemia, iron deficiency anemia, laryngitis, lung disorder, are just a few examples."

---Ok my opponent clearly is trying to justify pot with tobacco, which is clearly ignorant,they are both inherintly bad for you.
However This is what he is clearly trying to tell you, Look we have this bad thing that is legal lets add more bad things.
This will not help society, its bad enough that we have tobacco products that are legal; but adding more bad habbit's?
Which causes people to inflict harm upon themselves, for the high or the addiction of it...
My opponent is clearly advocating, we have something worse than this so lets add this on top of it and its ok because its not as bad but admits its bad?
Clearly you can see the contradiction?
The fact of the matter is that tobacco in itself should be illegal as well, but since to many addicts, plus how much taxes the government has on it and that is some main reasons why the government hasn't made it illegal.
However this is still very wrong.---

I will now give points to why you should vote my side.

1.My opponent clearly admits pot is harmful to human beings, and tries to tell you that look we this horrible legal drug tobacco which he portrays as bad for society, but why not add more harm and add pot.
Sub point: my opponent may argue that even if pot is not legalized its still going to be a problem, well yes we will still have the use of illegal drugs. However i will like to say that if it were legalized we would see the increase in the use, and destributing of pot and the increase of pot users. Not benefiting society, adding more harm not less.

2.My opponent clearly cannot prove pot not harmful to the human body as he admitted and give a reason why it ought to be legalized.

I urge the voters to vote negative.....
Debate Round No. 2
pro-kush420

Pro

This Argument is not a comparison on which is worse for you tobacco or cannabis, because obviously they both have side effects. Instead this debate is a comparison of the benefits of legalizing cannabis compared to the downsides of legalizing cannabis. Practically every substance that society comes in contact with has side effects. Tobacco users know and understand that the substance that they are choosing to ingest willingly as a part of there freedom of choice could have serious side effects: who are we to limit that freedom of choice to users that will and have been using cannabis. if it were to be deemed legal that wouldn't mean that everyone will start smoking cannabis, but it means that everyone who chooses to smoke cannabis will be and should be allowed to. And if we were to allow that freedom, what benefits would come from it? Not just the benefits that the user who CHOOSES to use cannabis, but the benefits that society will reap. Would society refuse the 25 billion dollars in projected taxes to the government that would help reduce personal taxes as a whole. And the 25 billion dollars doesn't account for the dollar amount that would be saved from legal consumption for marijuana's drug enforcement policies. Also it would alleviate the millions of dollars used to keep marijuana related cases in prison and jail. Your opinion is biased and narrow-minded. And to say that my argument is ignorant when you posted a statement, such as "My opponent is clearly advocating, we have something worse than this so lets add this on top of it and its ok because its not as bad but admits its bad?" is pathetic.
joshuaXlawyer

Con

1.This Argument is not a comparison on which is worse for you tobacco or cannabis, because obviously they both have side effects. Instead this debate is a comparison of the benefits of legalizing cannabis compared to the downsides of legalizing cannabis.
--- Looking at the downsides of the drug is showing the side effects and why the government should not allow it legal are connected. The governments obligation is to protect its people, and if pot has bad side effects to endanger the lives of its people , then it has right to enforce the law that they enact to protect their people from these drugs.

2.Tobacco users know and understand that the substance that they are choosing to ingest willingly as a part of there freedom of choice could have serious side effects: who are we to limit that freedom of choice to users that will and have been using cannabis.
---What I have been arguing is that even the fact tobacco should in itself not be legal as it endangers society, we have people killing themselves and as a government should try to ban tobacco to protect our people. However as it is the government has not done this, and is fail in it obligation this does not mean we should allow another problem as tobacco.

3.Not just the benefits that the user who CHOOSES to use cannabis, but the benefits that society will reap. Would society refuse the 25 billion dollars in projected taxes to the government that would help reduce personal taxes as a whole. And the 25 billion dollars doesn't account for the dollar amount that would be saved from legal consumption for marijuana's drug enforcement policies. Also it would alleviate the millions of dollars used to keep marijuana related cases in prison and jail. Your opinion is biased and narrow-minded. And to say that my argument is ignorant when you posted a statement, such as "My opponent is clearly advocating, we have something worse than this so lets add this on top of it and its ok because its not as bad but admits its bad?" is pathetic.

--- Society will not benefit from this, pot being legal will lead to mass distributing of marijuana, you cannot denie this .
Simply put legalization will increase drug use as it will be legal to purchase more available. As well as calling me pathetic just because i disagree with the legalization of marijuana, thanks you did even try to understand what i was say as you never attack my case but stated contradictions willy nilly without specific arguments that i stated. As well what i am advocating is legalizing pot is harmful to society even if the willingly accept the bad effects as the government is obligated to prevent harm to their people.

My opponent may advocate that we should have the right to chose self harm but the government tries to stop suicides the fundamental idea is the same. As well we people as a society give up rights to be governed, which is the social contract we as people should follow the law. Why, add pot on top of the legal drug problem like smoking and drinking? we should not to protect society we must keep marijuana illegal.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Cunit0814 3 years ago
Cunit0814
wow really bad attempt pro, I agree with legalization of marijuana (check my debate) but you could have stated it a lot better and more intelligent than you did.
Posted by mageist24 3 years ago
mageist24
Josh, would you be willing to debate the topic again? This was a pathetic attempt by the pro...
Posted by losedotexe 3 years ago
losedotexe
Pro-Kush ; I'd really appreciate it if you cited your sources, please?

I was really disappointed by PRO's inability to make a logical argument, or refute points, :(

Conduct : Con ; PRO added arguments in R3.
"who are we to limit that freedom of choice to users that will and have been using cannabis."

S&G : Con ; PRO's text was miserable to read without any formatting.

Convincing Arguments ; Con ; PRO didn't make a link, even though he laid down the debate goal, "Instead this debate is a comparison of the benefits of legalizing cannabis compared to the downsides of legalizing cannabis."
PRO failed to give anything resembling a link :/

Sources ; Con ; PRO fails to cite any sources, at least CON didn't claim any.
Posted by joshuaXlawyer 3 years ago
joshuaXlawyer
not really
Posted by m93samman 3 years ago
m93samman
Pro is winning; comparatively, since cigarettes are worse than marijuana but are legal, marijuana should be too
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